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#93002 - 09/15/04 09:25 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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:: looks at Hagstrom ::

The 72nd Street "transverse" while not actually one is Center Drive, which goes past Bethesda Fountain.
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#93003 - 09/16/04 01:24 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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They need a shuttle to connect all the Bronx subway routes to each other IMO. There's the Bx12 bus, but that's in Manhattan and I live in the Bronx.
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#93004 - 09/16/04 04:58 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Ah yes good point - or perhaps turn it into a light rail transit smile

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#93005 - 09/16/04 02:19 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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And Concourse, aside from the fact that mom wishes to pay as few fares as possible (we don't jump turnstiles, don't worry), the Bx12 runs on Artix which are Hell from the Hill (Gun *cough cough* Hill) and I do not wish to ride any Hell from the Hill. laugh

But to stay back on the subject of shuttles, a Cross Bronx Shuttle is convenient for those living in the North Bronx, as I do.

The name of it would be the (S) Cross-Bronx Shuttle.

Here's my idea of some R62/R62A signs:

S 242 St-Van Cortlandt Park
Bronx

Pelham Bay Park
Bronx

And on R142s/R142As, this is what they'd look like (there are exactly twenty chars on the R142/R142A side destination signs):

Southbound (Pelham Bay Park):

S CROSS-BRONX SHUTTLE
S TO PELHAM BAY PARK

Northbound (242 Street-Van Cortlandt Park):

S CROSS-BRONX SHUTTLE
S TO VAN CORTLANDT PK

Judging from my map, this shuttle would stop at (South to North):

Pelham Bay Park
Gun Hill Road (Seymour Avenue for the shuttle)
Gun Hill Road (White Plains Road for the shuttle)
205 Street-Norwood
Woodlawn
242 Street-Van Cortlandt Park

It would run at all times except late nights.

"This is a Pelham Bay Park-bound (S) Cross-Bronx Shuttle. The next stop is, Seymour Avenue. Stand clear of the closing doors please."

"This is a Van Cortlandt Park-bound (S) Cross-Bronx Shuttle. The next and last stop is, Two forty-second Street-Van Cortlandt Park."

"This is, Woodlawn. Transfer is available to the (4) train."

"This is, White Plains Road. Transfer is available to the (2) and <5> trains."

When it's not rush hours:

"This is, White Plains Road. Transfer is available to the (2) train."
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#93006 - 09/16/04 06:03 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Originally posted by 7 Train is great:
There is no 72 St transverse.
They can build a tunnel under the Park just the same.

A Cross-Bronx Shuttle is an excellent idea.

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#93007 - 09/16/04 07:55 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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A Bx12 light rail may not be a bad idea but its just West of Fordham Plaza that would cause a roadblock, especially on 207 St. A cross Pelham Pkwy shuttle train could work but its mainly a residental area full of trees and grass, and you know what the end cresult could be.....
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#93008 - 09/16/04 08:43 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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At Pelham Parkway, it can run at-grade on tha median, or at tha shoulders of that road.
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#93009 - 09/17/04 01:34 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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4traintowoodlawn, very ambitious plans, but I'm not sure if that train can cover every terminals. I think it would be easier to have it cut thru the Bronx a bit more evenly like 242 {1}, Mosholu {4}, 205 {D}, Gun Hill {2 & 5}, and finally Pelham Bay Park {6}

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#93010 - 09/17/04 05:16 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Having shuttles at every main cross street sill be too expensive. Only the biggest ones should have them.
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#93011 - 09/17/04 07:43 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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True, but the places like the Bronx could benefit from having one and imagine the times saved for anyone trying to tour the entire system w/in a day smile

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#93012 - 09/17/04 10:32 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Originally posted by Grand Concourse:
4traintowoodlawn, very ambitious plans, but I'm not sure if that train can cover every terminals. I think it would be easier to have it cut thru the Bronx a bit more evenly like 242 {1}, Mosholu {4}, 205 {D}, Gun Hill {2 & 5}, and finally Pelham Bay Park {6}
I think the thing with my ideas is that I come up with ambitious ones, just they're sometimes (er, often) unworkable. :rolleyes:
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#93013 - 09/18/04 12:43 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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125 St could use a shuttle. It could also go to Randall's Island as well.
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#93014 - 09/18/04 01:44 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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That would defintely work, w/ free transfers along 125 st to all the north-south trains, also SAS should extend to the bronx, via 3rd ave, replacing the torn down el...that BX-55 seems to get shorter everytime a look, they only run to gunhill from about 6am-7pm now
Or, do like I have in this Fantasy Map here:
http://img28.exs.cx/img28/9748/Map6.gif

Namely:

Extended the SAS into The Bronx and build two new routes, to service the central Bronx and finally Co-op City. Run the line under 3rd connecting with the IRT at 138th and 149th and then after stopping at 163rd run split two lines off. Build one as a El along 3rd making stops at major cross streets and terminate at Fordham Plaza. Run the other as a subway under Boston Rd to West Farms and then join up with the Amtrak ROW taking advantage of the unused track space, placing stops at key points giving service to "Hospital land" and complete with a pedestrian underpass at Pelham Pkwy. for safety. Duck north under Co-op City to open up the area to increased traffic.

Extend the "T" across 125th St for a crosstown.

Extend the SAS into Brooklyn with a new tunnel that would run super express stopping only at Borough Hall and Atlantic Ave then along Bergen St parallel to the LIRR. Have it emerge as an el near Eastern Pkwy to and have it head along Utica Ave then jog over Kings Hgwy then down Flatbush to finally give subway access to Kings Plaza.

Reactive Culver express service.

Reactive West End express service.

And while we are on that, I wonder how hard it would be to rebuild the terminal at Brighton Beach so the Brighton express is the route that goes to Stillwell?

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#93015 - 09/18/04 04:06 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Whoo! Welcome back from the dead JayMan laugh lol
Again, great job on your fantasy maps laugh

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#93016 - 09/18/04 12:12 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Very much so!

But...Lower Manhattan looks like a squiggle of lines already. shocked
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#93017 - 09/18/04 12:35 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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JayMan, sweet fantasy map you have there. I like it alot.

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#93018 - 09/18/04 04:58 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Thanks! And it's great to be back -- well I've actually been here lurking. But, can you imagine what that would be like for the Co-op City line in the Amtrak ROW between White Plains Rd and Stillwell Av? Waiting for a train and watching an Amtrak train whiz by on the next track over! That would be just cool! smile

The idea for thos would be insert two new track in the ROW (in between the 2 tracks Amtrak presently uses). Amtrak would then take over the center two tracks while the western track would be for subway use -- all stations would feature island platforms -- Amtrak trains would run by like "express" trains on the far end of the NB subway track. Pretty cool, I think.

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#93019 - 10/07/04 06:02 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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:bump:

So looks like so far we have:
Woodhaven Blvd, Cross Bronx S line, 125th, 110th, 86th, 68th, 34th, 23rd. [96th, 79th more or less ruled out due to proximity]

So anyone w/some more ideas? smile

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#93020 - 10/22/04 01:47 AM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Since we're dreaming...perhaps something going across Brooklyn, perpendicular to all the lines going to Coney Island. It could be built along Kings Highway or perhaps Bay Parkway/Avenue J (though it'd certainly have to go underground for Avenue J) and maybe Avenue U.

Also, Nostrand and/or Coney Island Avenues. I know they all have buses...but I would imagine they can be fairly slow.
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#93021 - 10/22/04 03:17 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Here's a shuttle I like to see:

179th Street Jamaica to Jamaica Center :p laugh j/k, that is what the Q43 is for, the real shuttle I wanna see is the Lefferts Blvd to Jamaica Center via the Lefferts and then Atlantic Avenue with a connection to the Airtrain smile
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#93022 - 10/22/04 05:56 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Originally posted by Grand Concourse:
:bump:

So looks like so far we have:
Woodhaven Blvd, Cross Bronx S line, 125th, 110th, 86th, 68th, 34th, 23rd. [96th, 79th more or less ruled out due to proximity]

So anyone w/some more ideas? smile
Hmmm...

110th isn't important at all. 68th/66th? What's the point? 59th makes more sense...

Trouble is East/West IRT lines have different express stops. How about this for an alignment?

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#93023 - 10/22/04 07:18 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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How about a one stop shuttle from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island St George??
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#93024 - 10/22/04 07:32 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Originally posted by R46 Is Your Daddy and So Am I:
How about a one stop shuttle from Lower Manhattan to Staten Island St George??
A great idea, wouldn't it be very long and would cost too much?

Remember, folks, Staten Island is much further from Manhattan than the subway map indicates.

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#93025 - 10/22/04 08:11 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Exactly, but a Brooklyn-SI Shuttle is more doable than Manhattan-SI wink

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#93026 - 10/22/04 08:25 PM Re: Which areas/streets do you think could use a shuttle train?
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Agreed. But it would be an extension of the R, not just a shuttle, I should think. And it had better make SI's population grow.

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