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#500923 - 01/24/12 10:12 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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I don't recall them sliding...

I was on an Artic on a Getty Square-bound 30 on a Thursday afternoon back in February 2010 where it was starting to snow very heavily midday, and it got worse later on. There was even an Artic on a Tudor Woods-bound 472, which doesn't usually use Artics to begin with. But, I do not recall wither Artic sliding one bit in the snow.

I remember that the snow was so bad, that no only was there no school the Friday right afterwards, none of the bus routes were running either.


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#500924 - 01/24/12 12:53 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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I think that was the storm I'm talking about! Or the one in March that year.

I rode the 2 twice that day, about 2 o'clock from W.242nd St to Palisade Ave & Shonnard Pl. and then from Palisade Ave & Shonnard Pl to Riverdale Ave about 8 o'clock. Both ways it was an Artic. The 2 was on a snow detour that day. No Park Avenue (because of the hill up from Ashburton). Went from Palisade & Ashburton west to North Broadway, then North Broadway to Shonnard Pl.

I got the same bus operator both trips, about six hours apart. He was earning his money that day.

Never forget the ride going south. As the driver turned off North Broadway onto Ashburton there was another bus coming down Ashburton. Not a whole lot of room to pass. Then further up the hill a Yonkers Fire Dept. ladder truck (the one from The Big House) came down the hill, with lights and siren. Ashburton was passable but snow covered and I think the Artic lost traction a couple times going up the hill.

When the operator turned into Palisades off Ashburton he really got cut off bad by a private car. Then, going down Palisade, when he stopped at a bus stop and again at a traffic light, the bus slid a bit. Not dangerously but you could feel it sliding.


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#500935 - 01/27/12 10:43 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Rainy Friday late afternoon. But at least it was Friday!!!

This is at Elmsford Square and a trip that is sometimes an Artic, sometimes an Orion.


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#500946 - 02/01/12 11:41 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Has anyone noticed that the Suburbans are starting to show up more than ever on Commuter routes, and even on the Loop routes, which now have their original numerical identities returned to them ever since the 80's and 90's? We need to start taking photos of Suburbans on some of these Commuter routes and on the Loop routes A.K.A. of now, the 80's series.


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#500954 - 02/04/12 10:05 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Actually I'm still seeing Orion 30-footers out there on Tarrytown/White Plains loops.

But didn't Dadbo46 say a while back they're going to be phased out?


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#500955 - 02/05/12 12:38 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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I think that's what's going to eventually happen; on the Routes that normally use 30-footers are gradually being given more 40-footers. Mainly Suburbans for all of the Commuter & Loop Routes. And, normal 40-footers for the non-commuter routes, All I'm trying to figure out is how is the W9 going to survive without neither vans, nor 32 footers.

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#500956 - 02/05/12 09:11 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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11, 2002 Orion V 30-footers (101-111)have been sold to various Maine properities, along with 828-830. 112-115 have been transferred to HART in Danbury.

That leaves 21, 2005 Orion V 30-footers. Five are assigned to the 16,18 and 31 in Peekskill (3 peak, 2 spare). Two are kept at the Yonkers garage to operate the 9 (1 in service, 1 spare). The rest are at Valhalla for use on shuttle routes.

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#500957 - 02/05/12 10:42 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Valhalla? I thought something happened with the Valhalla depot...

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#500958 - 02/05/12 01:15 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
Valhalla? I thought something happened with the Valhalla depot...


Nope.

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#500959 - 02/05/12 01:34 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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What about the Orion V 30-footers used on the 76? Where was the depot for them, and was the route eliminated because of the process of getting rid of the Orion V 30-footers?

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#500960 - 02/05/12 05:29 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
What about the Orion V 30-footers used on the 76? Where was the depot for them, and was the route eliminated because of the process of getting rid of the Orion V 30-footers?


128 & 129. Up at Valhalla being worked on.

No comment on your other question.

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#500970 - 02/09/12 07:04 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Dadbo46, you need to restore W76 now! Some people don't have parking permits at the Rye train station, some service should be provided for them (connecting to MNR trains). Others don't have a way to travel other than an expensive cab.

Make W76 a commuter route for rush hours only
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#500971 - 02/09/12 07:42 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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An average total of 22 passengers per day rode the 6 commuter trips daily. Hardly a reason to provide the service.

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#500972 - 02/09/12 08:27 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Do you know how many people rode the W76 on summer weekends?

Did anyone use the bus to/from Kohls or any other non Playland destinations on Sundays (May-September)?
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#500973 - 02/09/12 08:32 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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Give US a reason why people are complaining then? If they're complaining about the loss of the 76, then that means it's more important than some little statistic you have that's probably outdated anyways.

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#500974 - 02/09/12 08:32 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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Why not?

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#500975 - 02/09/12 08:44 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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Originally Posted By: dadbo46
An average total of 22 passengers per day rode the 6 commuter trips daily. Hardly a reason to provide the service.


http://jenkinsforwestchester.com/content...g-cut-bus-route

The new Route 13 bus line, with its modifications, is already being operated, contrary to laws in the County Charter that require bus route franchise modifications to be approved by the BOL. The modifications, however, do not meet the needs of many residents, businesses, employees, and senior citizens in Rye, Port Chester, and elsewhere who depend on the bus service on a daily basis.

The newly approved resolution being taken up by the BOL tomorrow stands as a formal protest to Liberty Linesí application to the New York State Department of Transportation for new service and deviation of the Route 13 bus line and seeks the BOLís participation in the case. The resolution will come up for full BOL approval at its next regular meeting on Monday, February 13.
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#500976 - 02/09/12 09:37 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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Let's be clear about this.

The Westchester Board of Legislators who are mad about the 76 cuts -- and most are Democrats -- are mad at the County Executive not Liberty Lines. Liberty Lines has nothing to do with service decisions. Westchester DOT does that.

The Board restored the money for the 76 service and the County Executive cut it. Every agency -- schools, police, fire, etc -- are taking cuts because of the ongoing budget deficits.

Transit has to take some pain too. I sympathize with anyone who depended on 76 service that has been cut. But I recognize that Bee-Line had to reduce spending (like every one else) and that was the logical cut to make.

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#500981 - 02/10/12 10:25 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Yeah, but whose bright idea was it to combine the 13 and the 76 in the way they did?

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#500982 - 02/10/12 11:24 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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I saw one of the Loop F buses (White Plains-Tarrytown) on 119 the other morning. It was running with a 30-footer though I didn't get the fleet number.

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#500987 - 02/11/12 09:30 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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It won't help the people on Milton Point -- about 20, I think -- but let's not forget the 61 runs between Port Chester and Rye and provides every half-hour service during rush hours.

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#500988 - 02/12/12 02:34 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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True about the 61, but remember, outside of rush hours, service is pretty much just as limited as the 30, or the 66, the only difference being the distance the 61 would have to travel.

But seriously though, why is it that whoever makes the decisions to be "ruining" this bus system seem to think of nothing else other than money? Greedy much?

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#500990 - 02/12/12 05:55 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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The only difference I can see is that service south of Playland Parkway -- a few blocks -- is discontinued. Serving how many people a day, twenty-two? Buses are expensive to run and the taxpayer winds up footing half the bill. If they're not well-used I agree they should be discontinued. There's not enough money for all this stuff. Not now, anyway.

The 76 commuter trips ended last Fall, didn't they? And nobody seemed to complain.

On weekdays a 61 leaves Port Chester every half-hour from 6:10AM to 9:45AM, then they run once an hour until 3:53PM when they run every half hour again until 6:10PM. The last trip leaves Port Chester at 7:10PM and that seems a little early. The rest of the service seems fine.

The 30's schedule is close to what the 61 runs. The 66 is strictly hourly. But that's a route that never had regular all-day service until Bee-Line started it.

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#500992 - 02/16/12 09:49 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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FWIW, I guess the Port Chester-Rye buses are designated "13," correct? I notice in the Bee-Line timetable listings (on the website) there is no longer a 76 route listed.

Next month when they are supposed to start through-routing the Rye service I guess some of the buses at Tarrytown will say, "13-Rye."

That's going to take some getting used to. shocked

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#501012 - 02/25/12 02:13 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Actually, there's something I'd like to point out. Something about what "they" are starting to name their routes.

Speaking of routes (a little off-topic here), I'm starting to notice in the new Bee-Line system map, and in the new 1/1C/1T/1W/1X timetable, I'm starting to see things on it that I don't think anyone designing the new maps should be placing at all.

I'm starting to see leaks of the old numbers taken by alternate routing lines.

For example: in the system map, in the Downtown New Rochelle inset, where it should've said 45Q, instead, I see 47. (Since there's no online link to it, you'll have to find the 2012 system map booklet yourself)

Another example: in the new 1/1C/1T/1W/1X timetable, where it denotes/describes that one trip that starts at WCMC as a 1C, reaches Elmsford Square, and continues to the Bronx as a 1W, instead of 1C & 1W, it says 57 & 58 respectively. http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/rte_1_1C_1T_1W_1X_timetable.pdf

What could all this cluing in mean?

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