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#500734 - 11/27/11 02:16 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Quite honestly, they SHOULD make it so that all W40, 41, and 43 trips on Weekdays should automatically operate all the way to 241st Street, possibly even 238th Street by default to allow direct connections with the W25/26, and the Bx16. Of course, another problem I seem to notice is with the drivers on the W20/21 line. It seems that people going from Cross County to the Bronx are stupidly getting on a really filled up W20, when they could just get on the W21 that's already starting up AT Cross County. The same thing goes for people at the Raceway. They didn't place these short turn trips just for decoration, you know. They need to reconsider those routing patterns, so that during the daytime, when there are already W21 short turn trips in place, W20/W20X trips going all the way to White Plains should not be allowed to pick up certain riders as follows (Northbound trips: All riders going to the Raceway from any stop south of the Raceway are to board ONLY the trips terminating @ Cross County) & (Southbound trips: All riders going from the Raceway to any stop south of the Raceway are to board ONLY the trips originating @ Cross County). They should definitely put that very rule in place from that line. Possibly even consider a W22 that would operate during Rush Hours nonstop Express via I-287 & I-87 from Westchester County Center directly to the Bronx. No stops in between. This can sort out the White Plains-Bronx riders from the CPA/CCSC/YR riders. And, it CANNOT stop at the Raceway, because it would be severely delayed, and it couldn't be a true Express if it did so.

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#500735 - 11/27/11 02:17 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: JerseyDevil]
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W6 Monday-Saturday only.

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#500736 - 11/27/11 02:27 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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W62 - They should reposition the W62's entire southbound service so that it's 30-minute headways are designed in a way that are in between the W60's 30-minute headways, so that the general frequency becomes 15 minutes, alternating between the 60 & 62. Also, make it so that the W62 starts at 3 PM and ends at 6 PM, because the service is currently unsatisfactory, and not in the correct time frame. And, have every other trip become Express right away from Westchester Avenue, after Bloomingdale Road, because Platinum Mile does a great job destroying the W62's title & purpose as an Express, because as it is, the only difference between the W60 & W62 in terms of the time it would take between White Plains to New Rochelle is 10 minutes (W60 takes 50-65 minutes, whilst W62 takes 40-55 minutes). I mean, can't those Platinum Mile people just take W3, 12, 13, 81 (Loop A), 82 (Loop B), 83 (Loop C), or 85 (Loop D) into White Plains, then get the W62 from there?

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#500877 - 01/08/12 11:27 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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As noted the Port Chester-Rye Transit Route 76 has been transferred to Liberty Lines Transit. It now operates a shorter schedule i.e it no longer serves Milton Point. See article linked from the Journal-News below-

http://soundshore.lohudblogs.com/2012/01...ors-objections/

Was this company -- Port Chester-Rye Transit -- a carryover from the old County Bus Lines Co.? They used to operate some routes in the Port Chester, Rye area.


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#500883 - 01/10/12 08:41 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Going way back (at least to the 1970s) Westchester Street Transportation (a Fifth Avenue Coach subsidiary) used to operate what is today the Bee-Line 5 route. Back in WST days it was two separate routes -- and indentified by letters not a number (I don't remember what they were) -- one from White Plains to Yonkers via Saw Mill and Nepperhan, the other from White Plains to Harrison.

What's my point?

From May to September the latter would be extended from Harrison to Playland.

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#500884 - 01/11/12 06:14 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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I actually DID hear of that. In fact, short story, when me and a couple of friends were trying to find a way to get to Playland without taking three buses in one direction last June (because at the time we planned the trip, the 91 wasn't running yet), I discovered that the 5 terminates not far off from Playland. The walk from Harrison to Playland took 40 minutes, but it didn't seem like a bother to us. It eventually made me wonder if the 5 ever went to Playland, because of how physically easy it seems to extend the 5 from Harrison to Playland. We had to go with the 76>13>20 option going back though...

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#500885 - 01/11/12 06:15 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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As for the article, my response is, "Astorino Strikes Again."

When will that guy ever do something GOOD with the Bee-Line (The 78 Extension was a matter of inevitability, so that doesn't count)?

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#500886 - 01/11/12 06:17 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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And, as for Port Chester-Rye Transit, was the 76 the route they owned?

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#500892 - 01/14/12 11:12 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Westmoreland News
The 76 bus route, which connected Port Chester, Rye and White Plains, ceased operation on Monday, Jan. 2 and came as a surprise to many people, including the president of Port Chester-Rye Transit David Kucera.“We got an e-mail saying the route was being canceled. It was a shock...”


Yes Port Chester-Rye Transit was the name of the company operating Rt 76. See the news article linked below. They plan to fight to regain their route.

The problem is, Route 76 lost almost a quarter-million dollars in 2011. Westchester is looking to cut costs and you just know they have to feel they can gain some economies by folding Rt 76 into Liberty Lines operations.

What I wonder is, is Port Chester-Rye Transit the successor the old County Bus Lines Inc.?

http://pc.westmorenews.com/atf.php?sid=18976


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#500893 - 01/14/12 11:28 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Below is a Harry Gershen photo of County Bus Lines 235, a 30-foot GM Old Look. Taken at Playland in August 1973. It's hard to make out the destination sign but it "might" say '76.' It DOES say South Regent Street.




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#500894 - 01/15/12 03:12 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Well, the sign hanging from the bus shelter DOES state that the buses from that stop go to Port Chester. So, yes it CAN be implied that the route in the photo IS the 76 in it's past. However, the number seems to look more like a 24, not a 76.

Honestly, what I think Astorino SHOULD'VE done (but didn't, because he's Astorino) is, leave out the Port Chester RR-Kohl's section of the W76 line, and annex the rest of the W76 route (Port Chester-Milton Point via Playland) on the W13 line. At least it can be a single bus ride for anyone from White Plains/Greenburgh to Rye, Playland, and the residential areas within Milton Point & Rye. In addition to that, if the case that there would be some need (if any) for any buses between the Kohl's Shopping Center, and Port Chester RR Station VIA South Regent Street & Westchester Avenue, then simply reroute any necessary trips on the W61 line via those two roads, like some sort of alternate route.

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#500895 - 01/15/12 01:36 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Jan I'm not just implying the bus in the photo might've been the Port Chester-Playland route. It was. I saw it first-hand many many times. And so did Harry Gershen the gentleman whose photo I borrowed. It could've been the 24 though, you're right. I don't remember.

As far as operating the 13 into Milton Point. What was Port Chester-Rye Transit operating? I don't believe I ever saw them.

Is it possible to get in to Milton Point with 40-footers?




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#500896 - 01/15/12 02:40 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Well, if we think about it, maybe THAT's Astorino's motive for not letting the 13 go all the way to Milton Point. Maybe the residential roads are so small, it might won't allow for 40 footers. But then again, what TYPE of buses did the 76 use before getting the 30 footer Orions, say like back in the 1990's, what would the 76 have used?

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#500898 - 01/15/12 11:18 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
...what TYPE of buses did the 76 use before getting the 30 footer Orions, say like back in the 1990's...


Didn't they used to have some 30-foot RTSs?

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#500899 - 01/15/12 11:47 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Those buses retired in early 1996, a year after I was born. The 30ft Orions never arrived until 2002. What was used during that time from 1996-2002 on routes that normally use 30 footers?


Edited by Jan (01/15/12 11:48 PM)

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#500901 - 01/16/12 10:31 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
Those buses retired in early 1996, a year after I was born. The 30ft Orions never arrived until 2002. What was used during that time from 1996-2002 on routes that normally use 30 footers?


18 passenger vans. Before that, 35' RTS II-03. The 76 received 2, 30-foot Orion V's in 2005.


Edited by dadbo46 (01/16/12 10:33 AM)

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#500914 - 01/21/12 07:14 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Here's some Harry Gershen photos of what was the White Plains - Port Chester side of today's Route 13. Back in the 1950s-1970s this segment was operated by a company named Port Chester & White Plains Bus Line Inc. The way I remember it is, around 1980 Liberty Lines took over the Port Chester route and combined it with the former Westchester Street Transportation's White Plains - Tarrytown route.

Here's PC&WP 21 operating east on Main St in White Plains near Court Street. This bus is actually returning from a charter run, a weekday Westchester Avenue - White Plains Railroad Station commuter trip for a corporate client. (Photo shot by Harry Gershen in August 1973.)



Here's PC&WP 29 on a regular service White Plains-Port Chester trip. East on Main Street in White Plains crossing Grove Street (MLK Blvd). Notice there's no rear door? This line's buses didn't have them. You paid your fare when leaving. Also please note there is no route number. Back then the small one-route companies didn't use route numbers. Just the destination name. Larger companies like Club Transportation, with a variety of routes, used route numbers or (Westchester Street Transportation) letters. (Photo shot by Harry Gershen in August 1973.)



PC&WP had a couple of New Looks too. Here's 27 at the old White Plains Bus Terminal (foot of Main Street) between runs. Service between White Plains and Port Chester was roughly the same as today. Half-hourly base service with every-fifteen-minutes rush hour service. In the evenings and Sundays it was every hour. Back when these photos were taken the fare was about fifty cents. That's a Westchester Street bus ahead of 27. (Photo shot by Harry Gershen in August 1973.)


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#500915 - 01/21/12 11:49 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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They used Orion Vs on the W20 today. Why can they never put them on full-route trips on days that I'M riding on the 20-line? I mean, I did get a chance to ride an Orion V on a WP-bound 20 several times, but only once have I ever ridden it all the way to White Plains. Normally, it's a northbound trip from Bedford Park to White Plains via Cross County, and I usually board it at Cross County at around 3:40 to 4:00 PM on a weekday. I think it's the same bus used on a Bedford Park-bound Weekday trip on the 20X line that starts at Roosevelt HS.

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#500916 - 01/22/12 12:25 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
They used Orion Vs on the W20 today.


Maybe because of the snow?

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#500917 - 01/22/12 12:35 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Most likely. It's happened once before, but to the point where it was on a Weekday, but with the W20 running on Sunday service. However this time, it was a Saturday running on no more or less than 15-20 scattered delays, as stated on the Bee-Line Bus System website.

As for the trip I was talking about, it starts at Roosevelt HS at 3:10 PM, and arrives at Bedford Park at 3:36 PM. However, it is NOT a school days-only trip. It just happens to be an extra weekday PM Rush Hour trip to relieve overcrowding on surrounding trips on the W20 Southbound line. After reach Bedford Park at 3:36 PM, it seems to start up as a normal 20 to White Plains at 3:40. My best guess is that this is done so that in the case that the Artic from another W20 trip does not arrive in due time to become the 3:40 PM WP-bound trip, this Orion V on the 20X is used. It's not always an Orion V, but it usually is. What I notice is that sometimes, there have been cases where two trips are provided that originate at Roosevelt HS at around 3:10-3:15 PM. The first bus would always be a 20X, and the second bus right behind it is sometimes a 20X, or sometimes, a 21, which surprises me when it happens.

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#500918 - 01/22/12 12:39 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Another story coming up, on the day that I rode the Orion V on the 20 from Cross County to White Plains, something was going where I saw on the Southbound side, at least 3-4 buses, all Artics, at the two southbound stops on CPA near Tuckahoe Road. Does anybody seem to know the story behind that super rare occurrence?

I have a video of that event, that I shot from the window of the Orion V I was on, but I don't know how to show it to you guys on here, without having to make an account on YouTube, because I'm not about to do that anytime soon.

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#500919 - 01/22/12 10:07 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: tommy meehan]
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Originally Posted By: tommy meehan
Originally Posted By: Jan
They used Orion Vs on the W20 today.


Maybe because of the snow?


No artics were dispatched on Saturday due to the weather and lower ridership.

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#500920 - 01/22/12 11:23 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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Originally Posted By: dadbo46
No artics were dispatched on Saturday due to the weather and lower ridership.


Thanks. I'm sure this has happened before on other stormy days. In fact I know it has.

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#500921 - 01/22/12 11:40 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Lower ridership? I saw the Orion V at Nathan's and it had quite a lot of people on it. I mean, it's not the exact same amount of people you'd find on an Artic, but it's at lest to the point where most of the seats seem to have been filled up.


Edited by Jan (01/22/12 11:41 AM)

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#500922 - 01/23/12 10:37 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Jan]
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I've been a passenger on Artics during a snowfall. They tended to slide a bit on snowy roads. (I'm thinking in particular of being on a Number 2 coming down Palisades Avenue south of Ashburton one snowy night.) Jan you can have them.

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