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#500555 - 10/27/11 07:48 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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The unannounced service part is correct, because I rode the 78 today, and it came at 3:35 at Nepperhan & Ashburton, so I guess it must be a newly added PM Rush Hour trip. I believe it starts at Getty Square at around 3:25 or something. At first, I just thought that the single vehicle operating the 78 was behind schedule, that they added a second bus.

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#500556 - 10/27/11 07:50 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: tommy meehan]
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Actually it's different now. If one wants to go to Ridge Hill from Getty Square, now they have to wait until after Stew Leonard's. And, if some wants to go from Ridge Hill to Stew Leonard's, it's tough luck for them, because then they'll have to go all the way around through Getty Square, just to go back to Stew Leonard's.

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#500562 - 10/28/11 06:12 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Gonna apply for a grant to run bi-directional out to Central Ave. That will resolve that issue.

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#500564 - 10/28/11 08:28 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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Sounds excellent! Great idea. Thanks for the heads-up. Oughta be lots of transfers to and from the 20.

Btw tonight I saw a NABI low-floor hybrid on a 78. The 280.


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#500569 - 10/30/11 02:53 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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"apply for a grant to run bi-directional out to Central Ave"? What exactly is that?

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#500571 - 10/30/11 11:17 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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Originally Posted By: dadbo46
Gonna apply for a grant to run bi-directional out to Central Ave. That will resolve that issue.


Is that a JARC (Job Access and Reverse Commute) Grant?

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#500572 - 10/31/11 06:39 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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Yep.

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#500573 - 10/31/11 06:42 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
"apply for a grant to run bi-directional out to Central Ave"? What exactly is that?


Currently the routes operates in one direction thru Ridge Hill. With an extension to CPA, the route will operate in both directions thru Ridge Hill.

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#500574 - 10/31/11 08:10 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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That's actually a PERFECT idea. Because, if someone wanted to go to Ridge Hill from somewhere on CPA far from Tuckahoe Road, they'd have to take at least 3 buses each way. (ex: 20, 25, 78)
Plus, if the 78 goes to Central Park Avenue, that's basically another route that connects Downtown Yonkers to CPA.

On another note, would you be interested in an idea I had for a Bee-Line Bus Route extension, hypothetically speaking of course.

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#500575 - 10/31/11 09:14 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
That's actually a PERFECT idea. Because, if someone wanted to go to Ridge Hill from somewhere on CPA far from Tuckahoe Road, they'd have to take at least 3 buses each way. (ex: 20, 25, 78)
Plus, if the 78 goes to Central Park Avenue, that's basically another route that connects Downtown Yonkers to CPA.

On another note, would you be interested in an idea I had for a Bee-Line Bus Route extension, hypothetically speaking of course.


Sure.

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#500577 - 11/02/11 12:02 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/Kote15AD/Route45Extension.png I personally think that this should be done, because nothing TRULY connects Crestwood/Tuckahoe & that area around CPA directly to New Rochelle. Plus, extending the 45, so that it could access the 20 would be a very smart, and strategic idea. And, it would be another transfer point at CPA, as there is a big gap between Tuckahoe Road & Ardsley Road. Riders of the 45 could easily access CPA, Cross County, Midway Shopping Center, and Gateway Shopping Center with this connection.

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#500578 - 11/02/11 12:12 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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I'll just repost my previous comment for the rest of my ideas.

Hopefully. Actually, if you've seen some advertisements on some BL bus shelters, it seems that your words about the whole gas thing seem to be coming into realization. And, I'm fully aware of this whole issue with money. My ideas are clearly hypothetical, I assure you. Out of the following of my ideas, which do you think would sound best:

1/1T- Get rid of 1C/1W, make 1X an entirely separate route, then just fuse the 1/1T into one route where you've got trips having one terminal always (almost always) being 242nd Street, and the northern terminal alternating between DOWNTOWN Hastings (the idea of ending a bus route in the complete middle of almost nowhere is a bit absurd in my opinion), or Tarrytown RR. In turn, increase frequency on the W3, W5, W6, and W13, and improve necessary connections on the 1X, 2, 3, 5, 6, 13, 14, 15, 40, and 41. Make 1T a Mon-Sun route.

1A- 242nd Street Subway Station to Cross County Shopping Center. Makes ONLY the following stops:
242nd Street Subway Station [1, 1C, 1T, 1W, 1X, 2, 3, BxM3, Bx9]
-EXPRESS- Major Deegan Expressway
Yonkers Raceway or Clark Street [20, 21, 28]
Yonkers Avenue [7, 20, 21, 28, 91]
Mile Square Road [20, 21]
Near National Liquidators [20]
Cross County Shopping Center @ Macy's [20, 25, 26, 55]

7/7X- Make a limited stops version of the W7, where it only stops at the major areas responsible for the heavy ridership, likely a weekday rush hr. only service, but in both directions, operating ONLY between Yonkers & Mount. Vernon.

20/21/22- As follows...
20: Local, all stops
21: Express (Limited Stops), makes only certain stops on CPA
22: Express (Super Express), Nonstop Express between Tarrytown Rd/Aqueduct Rd, and CPA/Yonkers Av, utilizing I-287 & I-87
In the case of major traffic on either highway, W22 will just use CPA, but sustain the Nonstop Express, but instead between Harding Av & Yonkers Av, on CPA.

87X- White Plains to Woodbury Commons & The Galleria At Crystal Run. This is more-or-less a personal desire, as the OWL (or ANY form of transportation), has no desire whatsoever to allow me & a friend to board the 20 from Crestwood to WP at 12:30-1:00, board an Express Bus to Crystal Run at 1:00-2:00, arrive at Crystal Run no later than 2 or 3, then board a return bus at 7-8, arrive at WP at 9-10, then get back home by 10:30. This is basically because I feel that I might eventually no longer desire to go to Palisades Center, and from what I've heard, I might like Crystal Run better once I can get there.

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#500583 - 11/02/11 09:39 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan

1/1T- Get rid of 1C/1W, make 1X an entirely separate route, then just fuse the 1/1T into one route where you've got trips having one terminal always (almost always) being 242nd Street, and the northern terminal alternating between DOWNTOWN Hastings (the idea of ending a bus route in the complete middle of almost nowhere is a bit absurd in my opinion), or Tarrytown RR. In turn, increase frequency on the W3, W5, W6, and W13, and improve necessary connections on the 1X, 2, 3, 5, 6, 13, 14, 15, 40, and 41. Make 1T a Mon-Sun route.


Wouldn't it be better to run the 1W on Sundays instead of the 1T? The 1W can run every 80 minutes alternating with ever 1 on Sunday. The 1T doesn't even run on Saturday (the 1W does).


Originally Posted By: Jan

1A- 242nd Street Subway Station to Cross County Shopping Center. Makes ONLY the following stops:
242nd Street Subway Station [1, 1C, 1T, 1W, 1X, 2, 3, BxM3, Bx9]
-EXPRESS- Major Deegan Expressway
Yonkers Raceway or Clark Street [20, 21, 28]
Yonkers Avenue [7, 20, 21, 28, 91]
Mile Square Road [20, 21]
Near National Liquidators [20]
Cross County Shopping Center @ Macy's [20, 25, 26, 55]


Wouldn't it be cheaper to just extend the 20/21 down to Fordham Road or Kingsbridge Road so people can transfer from the Bx9 to the 20/21 for one fare Cross County service.

Originally Posted By: Jan

7/7X- Make a limited stops version of the W7, where it only stops at the major areas responsible for the heavy ridership, likely a weekday rush hr. only service, but in both directions, operating ONLY between Yonkers & Mount. Vernon.


Does the 7 need a limited stops version of itself? And if it did, it would need to run the WHOLE route, while the local 7 would be cut back to Mount Vernon. Makes no sense to have the limited run a shorter route than the local (same thing can be said for the off peak W21 service to Cross County)

Originally Posted By: Jan

20/21/22- As follows...
20: Local, all stops
21: Express (Limited Stops), makes only certain stops on CPA
22: Express (Super Express), Nonstop Express between Tarrytown Rd/Aqueduct Rd, and CPA/Yonkers Av, utilizing I-287 & I-87
In the case of major traffic on either highway, W22 will just use CPA, but sustain the Nonstop Express, but instead between Harding Av & Yonkers Av, on CPA.



Interesting, but BRT will soon be on the W21, I'm sure dadbo46 want as many people on the BRT as possible. A W22 would take several of W21's rush hour passengers.

W43 Super Express works because many rush hour W40/W41 trips don't even run the full route. W43 provides well needed service to the lesser served ends of the route (241 St and WCMC).

Same with the W1X, being that the 1C is very infrequent, the 1X provides the extra needed service.

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#500584 - 11/02/11 09:40 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
http://i1194.photobucket.com/albums/aa375/Kote15AD/Route45Extension.png I personally think that this should be done, because nothing TRULY connects Crestwood/Tuckahoe & that area around CPA directly to New Rochelle. Plus, extending the 45, so that it could access the 20 would be a very smart, and strategic idea. And, it would be another transfer point at CPA, as there is a big gap between Tuckahoe Road & Ardsley Road. Riders of the 45 could easily access CPA, Cross County, Midway Shopping Center, and Gateway Shopping Center with this connection.


Not bad, although this would make the W45 even longer.
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#500599 - 11/03/11 07:53 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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I actually have a question about Ridge Hill. From the Bronx, what would be the most efficient way to get there? For example, which Bronx Bee-Line bus makes the best transfer to the bus that goes there?
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#500600 - 11/03/11 09:06 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: RokuSix]
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From the Bronx to the 78 I think you have two ways. From the 1 Train at W.242nd Street you could take the 1C-1T-1W or 2-Tudor Woods from W.242nd Street and change at Getty Square. The 2 stops on South Broadway and Main Street where the 78 stops, the 1's stop at Riverdale and Main Street (a long block west).

From Woodlawn you can take the 4 bus. That also operates to Riverdale and Main Street.

From 242nd Street there's a bus every ten minutes. The 4 runs every 20 minutes during the day.

The 78 runs roughly every 70 minutes. frown You need a schedule (link below).

http://transportation.westchestergov.com/images/stories/Schedules/rte_78_timetable_090611.pdf

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#500611 - 11/04/11 02:55 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: dadbo46]
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What do you think about extending the W8 to Mill Road to connect to the W45?

The W8 would continue on Main Street, then turn on Columbus Avenue, staying on Columbus Avenue until Fisher Avenue, then crosstown on Fisher Avenue, into Mill Road, connecting the W8 and the W45. The W8 would also connect with the W40 and W41.

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#500613 - 11/04/11 06:46 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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It's a decent idea. Maybe the two routes -- the 8 and the 45 -- should just be combined?

They could maintain separate route numbers too. The way some 13s do when they get to the last stop in Ossining and they change the destination sign to Route 19.

I've never seen it but I understand that's what they do.

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#500614 - 11/04/11 08:48 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: tommy meehan]
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Originally Posted By: tommy meehan


It's a decent idea. Maybe the two routes -- the 8 and the 45 -- should just be combined?

They could maintain separate route numbers too. The way some 13s do when they get to the last stop in Ossining and they change the destination sign to Route 19.

I've never seen it but I understand that's what they do.


Keep them separate completely, the W45 could also get extended to Central Park Avenue with Jan's routing as well. Columbus Avenue and Fisher Avenue (and even Mill Road if W8 goes a bit further east) could have two bus routes, may even encourage more bus ridership to/from Metro North and less driving.

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#500616 - 11/04/11 11:24 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Every 70 minutes? Thanks for the warning!
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#500620 - 11/05/11 02:22 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7
Keep them separate completely...


Do you have a specific reason for that?

My thought was, they'd be essentially two crosstown routes so you might get a lot of ridership transferring to north/south routes. Combining the 8 with the 45 would allow for a lot more transfer options.

Having the 8 and the 45 connect doesn't allow another free transfer.

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#500621 - 11/05/11 09:34 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: tommy meehan]
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Well, think of this way. Why would you want a long route that would potentially take almost 2 hours for the whole trip, and having both endpoints in the Bronx?

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#500622 - 11/05/11 09:39 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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Technically, the buses themselves probably already do that sometimes, where the buses are probably shared between the 8 & 45 at times, but without the routes actually meeting each other. Making it so that the 8 & 45 actually meet would be great. If the 8 was extended to Eastchester Square, and the 45 was extended to CPA, it would probably be a great choice. Combining the two routes into one bigger route would work too, and there would therefore be a third route that goes between Getty Square & New Rochelle, although that would restrict the assignment of artics on the route if it would have to go through Elm Street/Walnut Street in Yonkers.

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#500629 - 11/05/11 11:39 PM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: tommy meehan]
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Originally Posted By: tommy meehan
Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7
Keep them separate completely...


Do you have a specific reason for that?

My thought was, they'd be essentially two crosstown routes so you might get a lot of ridership transferring to north/south routes. Combining the 8 with the 45 would allow for a lot more transfer options.

Having the 8 and the 45 connect doesn't allow another free transfer.


At least on weekdays, two separate buses as crosstowns could encourage ridership from Eastchester to the Metro North Railroad instead of driving. Combining the two routes would make them much longer. Another option is a three legged transfer to allow for another free transfer.

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#500630 - 11/06/11 12:07 AM Re: Future Bee-Line Extensions: Ridge Hill Center [Re: Jan]
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Originally Posted By: Jan
Technically, the buses themselves probably already do that sometimes, where the buses are probably shared between the 8 & 45 at times, but without the routes actually meeting each other. Making it so that the 8 & 45 actually meet would be great. If the 8 was extended to Eastchester Square, and the 45 was extended to CPA, it would probably be a great choice. Combining the two routes into one bigger route would work too, and there would therefore be a third route that goes between Getty Square & New Rochelle, although that would restrict the assignment of artics on the route if it would have to go through Elm Street/Walnut Street in Yonkers.


Some W8 buses could run on Mill Road to either California Road, or North Avenue for through crosstown service.

The W8 doesn't really go to the Bronx, it runs to the City Line.

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