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#499853 - 02/06/11 09:55 PM 7 to Jersey?
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I heard that there are plans to extend the 7 Line to Secaucus, New Jersey. The plan arose out of dismay for a very unlikely Hudson River tunnel.

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What do you guys think?

I personally think it's a terrible idea. Line extensions in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, and hell, even Staten Island should be a priority.
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#499894 - 02/23/11 05:45 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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I welcome the 7 to new Jersey, Hoboken preferred.

It would alleviate E train crowding at Penn Station and East 53 street at Lexington Avenue.

Plus it saves Federal money, which belongs to all of us, getting commuters across the Hudson.

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#499902 - 02/24/11 10:11 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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So it would be Federal money! I didn't know that.
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#499919 - 03/01/11 05:11 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Who knows if either state will ever have the money to extend the 7 train to Jersey. I think it would be nice if it were possible, can already foresee many political and financial battles between NJ and NY as a result. For example, who would pay for the construction? and who would collect and receive the fares collected from Jersey residents?
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#499922 - 03/01/11 10:40 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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I also feel like the 7 needs to be extended in the other direction... Flushing is far away from neighborhoods like Bayside and Little Neck. But then again, I guess the NIMBYs would have a panic attack.
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#499930 - 03/05/11 04:58 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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I thought i read that federal money, formerly for ARC, could be used for the 7 extension into Hoboken.
If New jersey contributes to it, then after MTA costs, ( motorman, conductor, cars, power) , they should share revenue.

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#499942 - 03/09/11 09:53 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Running the 7 to New Jersey would open up a Pandora's Box! It would subject the NYC subway system to FRA regulations. Crews on both sides of the Hudson would require federal licensing. Equipment would have to be modified to meet FRA standards. The whole way the TA runs trains would have to chamge. Do you think the MTA can afford that?

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#499982 - 03/24/11 07:30 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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that is a idea that i dont see possible but an extension to another borough would be better off.
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#499997 - 03/28/11 09:41 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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I can't imagine the federal government pouring money into this project, which is why I think it won't materialize. I also don't see a demand for it. What's wrong with PATH?
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#500002 - 03/30/11 06:54 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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The NJ democratic senators like mass transit.
Two, Path does not go the eastside of Manhattan, from New jersey.

Three this #7 extension could lead to other regional improvements. for example, merging the path & #1 lines in lower Manhattan. Imagine, going from Hoboken to Water Street, South street Seaport, area, w/o changing trains and or walking. (thier car width is the same.)

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#500014 - 04/04/11 07:09 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: Aman]
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It will never happen at all

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#500759 - 11/28/11 08:09 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Originally Posted By: RokuSix
I heard that there are plans to extend the 7 Line to Secaucus, New Jersey. The plan arose out of dismay for a very unlikely Hudson River tunnel.

Link for more info

What do you guys think?

I personally think it's a terrible idea. Line extensions in Queens, Brooklyn, and the Bronx, and hell, even Staten Island should be a priority.



I think all New York City subways should stay within the 5 boroughs

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#500825 - 12/22/11 05:08 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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A subway line connecting from Manhattan to Staten Island could be more beneficial

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#500908 - 01/19/12 10:42 AM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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As a 7 train rider, I don't know if I would want commute time increased because of the extension into Jersey. There are a lot of implications that the extension would add a little boost to the economy, but it would take a lot of capital to complete this project. I don't see where that money would come from in the near future.
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#501191 - 04/12/12 05:36 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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I also can't imagine the Feds paying for it. Frankly, I think the subway service within New York should stay priority #1 when it comes to big projects for the MTA.

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#501192 - 04/13/12 07:57 AM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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What about crossing state lines and all the burucrap that involves. Yes the Washington Metro crosses state lines but that's DC which is a set of laws onto itself set by Congress.
Any other subway in the US cross state lines?
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#501210 - 04/25/12 07:41 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Definitely not that I know of. Like you said, DC is a very special case. I can only imagine that the project, if it ever got off the ground, would wind up halfway completed in yet another waste of money.
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#501295 - 05/17/12 03:20 AM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Seems more likely (and a more sane plan) that any such tunnel would wind up being part of the PATH system, and you would have to change and pay another fare upon reaching the new Javits 7 line terminal. That would still be fairly convenient for a lot of riders, but would not have the bureaucratic problems of actually having an MTA line go outside of NY state.
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#501646 - 11/12/12 07:34 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: cda]
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No way it will happen at all

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#502351 - 11/29/13 09:42 PM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: RokuSix]
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Like the idea. The subway does not need to be limited to NYC and it would take crowding off NJT trains which also the tube that carries NJT and Amtrak trains under the Hudson is at capacity.
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#502402 - 01/07/14 06:18 AM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: Q_67]
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Like the idea. The subway does not need to be limited to NYC and it would take crowding off NJT trains which also the tube that carries NJT and Amtrak trains under the Hudson is at capacity.


the subway would then be considered a railroad, and be under FRA regulations.

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#502406 - 01/08/14 09:58 AM Re: 7 to Jersey? [Re: WalderRules]
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Originally Posted By: WalderRules
Originally Posted By: Q_67
Like the idea. The subway does not need to be limited to NYC and it would take crowding off NJT trains which also the tube that carries NJT and Amtrak trains under the Hudson is at capacity.


the subway would then be considered a railroad, and be under FRA regulations.


Not entirely.

PATH has a modified arrangement with the FRA. I don't have all the details but it is technically a subway once it goes underground east of Journal Square and is a "railroad" from Journal Square to Newark as it operates along the right of way of Amtrak/NJ transit.

If the 7 was extended (it won't happen this century), the same situation would have to apply. NYC Transit train operators would have to be certified as engineers (like the PATH train crew).
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