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#498625 - 06/16/10 09:04 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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exactly but if this works out the Z may become not needed what could happen is that the rush from the J, L , even some A riders may pile up on the M. the question here is what is the % of current J, M , L riders are midtown workers ? what is the rush of jamaica bound J riders transfering to the E

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#498628 - 06/16/10 10:41 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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The A people will not get on the Broadway line in Bk, that's what West 4th is for.

The L people similarly, they are already on a train, a transfer at Union Sq has made the most sense, unless you are talking about those that live in the area between the L and M, yes those people now have a choice and the idea of a no transfer link to midtown may just tip that scale.
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#498629 - 06/16/10 12:48 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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The M Midtown Direct should do well. Most of the J M Z riders going to Midtown transfer at Essex and Canal, and the M Midtown Direct will serve essentially the same corridor(s). Fewer riders transfer at Chambers and Fulton.
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#498630 - 06/16/10 02:04 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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if the L train rider is transferring to the Sixth avenue lines then the transfer will be in Brooklyn where the seating is more possible than 14th street remember 14th street is a local stop.


As for the A Riders who knows . let us not forget this is the Only 6th ave line in this part of Brooklyn

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#498632 - 06/16/10 09:50 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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The new M route will still relieve some crowdings on the E/F/L. One seat ride between Metropolitan Av(Middle Village-Queens), Broadway(Brooklyn line), 6 Av(Midtown-Manhattan), & Queens Blvd.
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#498716 - 06/22/10 10:24 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: A-train]
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Hi Everyone... new member here.

The M/V/W train change is a win for some and a loss for others.

Its definitely a loss for me and everyone in Lower Manhattan. The R Train isn't the fastest line, so the M (from Brooklyn) and the W (from Queens) were great alternatives. Now both are gone and the R train will be packed like sardines.
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#498720 - 06/23/10 04:53 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: lovely78]
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Originally Posted By: lovely78
Hi Everyone... new member here.

The M/V/W train change is a win for some and a loss for others.

Its definitely a loss for me and everyone in Lower Manhattan. The R Train isn't the fastest line, so the M (from Brooklyn) and the W (from Queens) were great alternatives. Now both are gone and the R train will be packed like sardines.


Welcome to the Riders Diaries!

Most likely, the R will eventually have specials to Nassau Street as was done until the 1980s. The crowding will be somewhat acute and warrant additional service.


Edited by Sam (06/23/10 04:54 AM)
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#498723 - 06/23/10 11:24 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Sam]
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Don't think it will be that kind of issue , We overestimate Lower manhattan in my opinion i think it is a MAJOR transfer hub within the underground. the elimination of the lines mean more transfers within the outter boroughs. The W was a Queens releif that is now replaced by a Q train . the M is now a Midtown direct meaning alot of the J riders have a better option to transfer

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#498735 - 06/23/10 10:19 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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Originally Posted By: mta36
Don't think it will be that kind of issue , We overestimate Lower manhattan in my opinion i think it is a MAJOR transfer hub within the underground. the elimination of the lines mean more transfers within the outter boroughs. The W was a Queens releif that is now replaced by a Q train . the M is now a Midtown direct meaning alot of the J riders have a better option to transfer


At some point, lower Manhattan will have commerce restored once again. Wall Street is still the city's engine and as the economy picks up, there will be a need for more service. The M used to have very large crowds serving lower Manhattan to Bay Parkway until the M ceased express service in 1995 and became a local via 4th Avenue.

Midtown will always have the lion's share of commuters, but lower Manhattan will again hold its own.
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#498740 - 06/24/10 12:22 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Sam]
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Midtown is just a larger place, it only takes about 15 mins to walk river to river in lower manhattan (if all the construction and crossing impediments were removed), compare that to Midtown.
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#498749 - 06/24/10 11:18 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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Much of Wall St however is presently located on Park Ave north of GCT. GCT is 1 of the reasons the banks are there because of the easy executive access to and from Westchester. Plus the office space is generally more modern and larger. And the banks again are all in proximity to one another. The Lex serves as the shuttle back and forth. Additionally, many banks are now in Stamford, so even though there is bank provided shuttle van service, MNR is right at both doorsteps
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#498750 - 06/24/10 11:51 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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All the large banks are in that corridor from 42nd to 57th between 3rd and Madison. Construction on some buildings in the area is still ongoing and others have just been completed.
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#498752 - 06/24/10 12:15 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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Frequenting lower NYC recently there is no rush for N, R service down here in fact when the lex lines are messed up those lines are great alt due to there less crowdings alot of the transfers are from Brooklyn folks who basically lost an express now they have an extended Q and A M that takes a whole section of Brooklyn right into the heart of midtown.

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#498754 - 06/24/10 02:48 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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-The orange isnt going to have any effect on the A. Like it was said early in the thread, that's what West 4 st is for

-The only line that's going to be effected ridership wise besides the J/Z is the L. BUT! to be honest it wont have a huge impact on the L's crowding. The orange M and L train is going to become a similar situation to the E/V. Yes the E is a lot more crowded then the V but its more frequent than the V not to mention the fact that its express there will be more people willing to take sacrafice a potential seat on the V for a faster more crowded E.

-Now lets look at the orange M/L. We already know the M is not going to be as frequent as the L. Now the M does indeed provide mid-town access thus attracting some new riders, however the L does provide more frequent service then the M and
has transfers avaliable to every trunk line in manhattan. But at least a couple more riders shaved off the L is better than no riders off the L at all.

Here are my predictions on how crowding is going to playout once the M is a fully established line:

-L gets reduced in ridership but not by much and will still be crush loaded
-Crowding on the J/Z will increase since thats' 6TPH being eliminated with the re-routing of the M
-Crowding on the M in Brooklyn should for the most part be the same since now people heading to lower manhattan will use the across the platform transfer at Myrtle Av while at the same time attract potiential riders heading towards mid-town.
-The M might actually be SRO this time around in Queens during the AM. Expect the either the first or the last car to be unusually more crowded then the other cars since its running 8-car set ups. And if you dont believe ride the C train and you'll see my point.


Edited by R160Etrain (06/24/10 02:50 PM)

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#498768 - 06/25/10 02:17 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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My prediction is that the L get hit hard and riders will be for that M transfer in Brooklyn. some will continue to transfer in Manhattan but alot will get off for that m rather ride for a more Crowded F B and M @14th street. The J\Z ridership will change as well now there is three transfer options East new York and transfer to the M

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#498769 - 06/25/10 02:21 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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you now have a sixth avenue line avail in a part of BK that was never before if people have a transfer option before the line is waay too crowded then it can happen in Brooklyn East Ny station has alot of transfering now cause those J riders would prefer to jump on a perhaps emptier A train now You have a sixth avenue line which is the heart of Manhattan avail.

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#498795 - 06/28/10 10:43 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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J train was crowded today til canal street

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#498796 - 06/28/10 10:50 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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In fairness, the specific connecting tunnel route traveled by the new M-train simply has not been used in 34 years. From about the late 1960's and early 1970's, the K or KK trains ran along that pathway during the rush hours. One big difference is that the city, downtown, midtown and the neighborhoods traveled by the K/KK, M and J/Z trains, and the MTA as a whole have changed over the decades.

The new M-train does offer several transfer options, a one-seat for certain groups of riders to midtown, and one of the few bright spots on the MTA service cut agenda.

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#498806 - 06/28/10 02:31 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: MikeGerald45]
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Wow so that was just a dark tunnel unused for many moons

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#498807 - 06/28/10 02:36 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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Well non-revenue equipment used the tunnel for various moves and transfers. That connection is probably how 160s got from 207th to the Broadway line, its one way to get trains to Fresh Pond or Jamaica (when 53rd street isnt available) without changing ends for the T/O.
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#498809 - 06/28/10 02:46 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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is there any other tunnels like this in the system?

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#498810 - 06/28/10 02:56 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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The new unused connection created is the one from Broad St to the Montague tube. The M previously went thru there on its way to Brooklyn. Another similar piece of track is the old South Ferry loop station. It is still ablaze in light, frozen in time since last year February (or March). It is best viewable from the rear car or two of 5 trains that terminate at Bowling Green (best time to get a looksie is on weekends or after 9pm during the week).


Edited by TwoTimer (06/28/10 03:03 PM)
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#498812 - 06/28/10 03:30 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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Wow that is cool . another cool thing is when the train travels back to the yard underground you can barely see the tunnel to the yard on most lines its a blur on the D/B

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#498842 - 06/30/10 12:08 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: mta36]
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I'm against the new Orange M 100 %.

Glad the Z train was spared from those budget cuts..


Edited by 219 (06/30/10 12:11 PM)

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#498851 - 06/30/10 07:55 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: 219]
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I'm against the new Orange M 100 %.

Glad the Z train was spared from those budget cuts..


Sorry to hear but the new M is working out great over on 6ave to Queens blvd lcl! wish we had it on weekends too!

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