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#498267 - 05/16/10 06:28 PM J to Prospect Park
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Maybe this has been covered before, but I'm not getting why the J is split into two sections from Prospect Park to Essex and Chambers Street to Jamaica Center. It would be logical to send all of the Jamaica J trains to Prospect Park rather than add congestion throughout the Nassau Street line with duplicate service. It is fascinating watching Chambers Street with all four tracks occupied, but it doesn't make sense. Any ideas why?

Secondly, the automated announcements kept on about transferring to the 4 and 5 in Brooklyn and Fulton Street when the whole point is to replace them while trackwork is being done. Even the C was offered as a transfer point. The automated announcers then proceded to inform everyone that the J was running via the M line on the Brighton line!

Who plans these GO's?



Edited by Sam (05/16/10 06:32 PM)
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#498272 - 05/17/10 12:55 AM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: Sam]
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I believe there are fewer shuttle trains than normal J trains and they run on different headways. Also there may be a capacity issue at Prospect Park as they only have one track to relay with.
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#498289 - 05/18/10 05:41 PM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: TwoTimer]
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Why dont they just send all J trains to Broad st, and people can just transfer to the 2/3 at Fulton st for Brooklyn service? Im assuming the 2/3 still run when the 4/5 dont go to Brooklyn right?

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#498290 - 05/19/10 12:41 AM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: R160Etrain]
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The J Shuttle isn't primarily for normal Nassau Line customers.
It's for Lexington Line customers, replacing their train.

The 6 terminates at Brooklyn Bridge. For Brooklyn service, they can transfer to the J Shuttle making Brooklyn stops at nearby 4 stations.

With your plan, those coming off the 6 would transfer to the J Shuttle, then have to transfer again to the 2/3 at Fulton.... not really making it convenient for those you are primarily trying to help.

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#498291 - 05/19/10 01:30 AM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: electropura]
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Na, his idea was to extend normal J service and headways to Broad St (no shuttle service at all), and make people transfer at Fulton for 2/3 service instead of at Atlantic (under the theory that they must transfer there anyway since connections to other trains stopping at Atlantic are available in Manhattan... D at Bleecker, N/R/Q at Canal). Usually the 3 runs all night to New Lots during this G.O.


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#498294 - 05/19/10 02:22 PM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: TwoTimer]
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I understood that. His plan is problematic for the reason I stated.

Brooklyn Bridge is a MAJOR transfer point on the Lexington Line. People transferring from 6 local (which terminates there) to express (for lower manhattan/brooklyn service) cannot transfer to the 2/3 there. They would have to transfer to the J (Chambers St. is the same station as BB), and then transfer again 1 stop later to the 2/3 at Fulton for stops in Brooklyn Heights and Downtown Brooklyn.

The J shuttle is way more convenient...only one transfer, within the same station complex as the usual transfer...and it makes stops very close to the 4/5 stops skipped.

The point of this is to help Lexington customers during the GO, NOT to provide extra J service to lower Manhattan, which is unneeded on weekends.

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#498302 - 05/19/10 09:55 PM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: electropura]
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the J shuttles as mentioned in the other post is to help out the lex ppl to brooklyn via the tunnel and brighton line relay
basicaly its like the old QJ with exception of running to and from essex st and reg J's to Chambers st.
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#498316 - 05/20/10 09:50 AM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: Q89LCL]
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Originally Posted By: Q89LCL
the J shuttles as mentioned in the other post is to help out the lex ppl to brooklyn via the tunnel and brighton line relay
basicaly its like the old QJ with exception of running to and from essex st and reg J's to Chambers st.


The old QJ ran from Jamaica 168 St to Coney Island (and Brighton Beach too). How does the J shuttle duplicate this route?
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#498328 - 05/20/10 08:39 PM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: electropura]
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Originally Posted By: electropura
I understood that. His plan is problematic for the reason I stated.

Brooklyn Bridge is a MAJOR transfer point on the Lexington Line. People transferring from 6 local (which terminates there) to express (for lower manhattan/brooklyn service) cannot transfer to the 2/3 there. They would have to transfer to the J (Chambers St. is the same station as BB), and then transfer again 1 stop later to the 2/3 at Fulton for stops in Brooklyn Heights and Downtown Brooklyn.



What a minute, what's the point of the J shuttle when riders can just transfer to the N/Q/R at Canal st and the D at Bleeker as mentioned before. The J to broad would provide lex riders direct access to the Brooklyn IRT line by using the transfer at fulton to the 2/3. The R is close to the 4/5 stops from City hall down to Court St borough hall, riders wanting to get off at Dekalb or Atlantic Av can use the N/Q/D if they dont want to wait for the R. The 2/3 replace the 4/5 in brooklyn for riders trying to go back home.



Edited by R160Etrain (05/20/10 08:41 PM)

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#498341 - 05/21/10 02:59 PM Re: J to Prospect Park [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express
Originally Posted By: Q89LCL
the J shuttles as mentioned in the other post is to help out the lex ppl to brooklyn via the tunnel and brighton line relay
basicaly its like the old QJ with exception of running to and from essex st and reg J's to Chambers st.


The old QJ ran from Jamaica 168 St to Coney Island (and Brighton Beach too). How does the J shuttle duplicate this route?
i meant in meaning the J shuttle is the short QJ, to and from prospect park to Essex. st and the regular J to and from Jamaica cntr to Chambers.
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