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#497984 - 04/23/10 07:31 PM Scheduling
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Um, hi. I have a question about (A) service to Rockaway Park. The offical schedule says that AM service from Rockaway Park terminates at 207th Street. But PM srvice to Rockaway Park originates from Columbus Circle. There are [to my knowledge] two pocket tracks between 72nd and 81st Streets [One for each level] where trains could be stored, but I don't think the two of them have enough space for all five trains. So the Rock Pk. trains probably come from the 207th St Yard via Dyckman St, or the mini yard near 168th St. My question is, why do these trains go into passenger service at 59th St and not farther north? It would help provide extra service going Southbound and it would cause pratically zilch, right? So how about it?
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#497987 - 04/24/10 01:05 AM Re: Scheduling [Re: MotionBoy]
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As far as I know they are now in service out of 168. The schedule is just that a schedule, and is subject to supplement changes that are NOT publicized.
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#498005 - 04/25/10 10:06 AM Re: Scheduling [Re: TwoTimer]
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i've riddin one of those Rockaway park trains at 59 st, it was nice to see an empty A train come in instead of a crowded one, in some cases to the point were I have to let it go by and wait for the next one.

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#498032 - 04/27/10 09:17 PM Re: Scheduling [Re: R160Etrain]
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You know, if those Rockaway Park trains started at say, Dyckman Street, instead of 59th Street, wouldn't there be a more even distribution of crowding so that trains wouldn't be crowded to the point where you can't even get on???
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#498066 - 05/02/10 07:01 PM Re: Scheduling [Re: MotionBoy]
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I have fanned on the northern 8th Ave. line before at the start of the PM rush hour, and I have seen A trains on the Dyckman St. layup tracks with the signs set to Rockaway Park. I have also seen the same trains pull in empty at Columbus circle. They might do the deadheads to Midtown in order to provide emptier trains in Midtown, where it is harder to find a seat on the train.


Edited by R32_3348 (05/02/10 07:02 PM)

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#498083 - 05/03/10 12:57 PM Re: Scheduling [Re: R32_3348]
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You are referring to "put ins"?
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#498107 - 05/05/10 02:19 AM Re: Scheduling [Re: MotionBoy]
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Originally Posted By: MotionBoy
You know, if those Rockaway Park trains started at say, Dyckman Street, instead of 59th Street, wouldn't there be a more even distribution of crowding so that trains wouldn't be crowded to the point where you can't even get on???


Dyckman Street or Washington Heights 168th Street.
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#498168 - 05/07/10 08:36 AM Re: Scheduling [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Providing more room on the trains for riders further down the line is the same basic idea behind the small number of #4 trains that travel express in the Bronx during the AM rush hours.

While there are not a lot of these kinds of trains in any given hour of rush hour, they do help with the passenger loading of the trains. Also for the same reason at one time years ago, a handful of F-trains started their morning runs directly from 71st-Avenue instead of 179th Street, just to help with the crowds at the platforms in Queens. These kinds of runs were not always listed on the subway maps as a "route" or "feature" - but they were there for crowd control.

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#499163 - 08/04/10 09:03 AM Re: Scheduling [Re: MotionBoy]
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Originally Posted By: MotionBoy
Um, hi. I have a question about (A) service to Rockaway Park. The offical schedule says that AM service from Rockaway Park terminates at 207th Street. But PM srvice to Rockaway Park originates from Columbus Circle. There are [to my knowledge] two pocket tracks between 72nd and 81st Streets [One for each level] where trains could be stored, but I don't think the two of them have enough space for all five trains. So the Rock Pk. trains probably come from the 207th St Yard via Dyckman St, or the mini yard near 168th St. My question is, why do these trains go into passenger service at 59th St and not farther north? It would help provide extra service going Southbound and it would cause pratically zilch, right? So how about it?








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#499183 - 08/06/10 02:40 PM Re: Scheduling [Re: Tony_Clifton]
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It is for Rush hr service to aleviate the lines during times when workers go and come from home instead of taking a crouded A to the s.
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#499417 - 09/21/10 09:53 PM Re: Scheduling [Re: MotionBoy]
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Originally Posted By: MotionBoy
You know, if those Rockaway Park trains started at say, Dyckman Street, instead of 59th Street, wouldn't there be a more even distribution of crowding so that trains wouldn't be crowded to the point where you can't even get on???


I've read through this thread, and I still don't get how one emptier train is better for passengers than a lighter load distributed across all the trains (as stated in the quoted post). Why is this thought to be superior?
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