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#497630 - 04/01/10 09:59 AM M/V Combo.
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What trains are going to be run on M/V combo. When does new service begin. I am so excited, I cannot wait

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#497644 - 04/01/10 10:52 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Chipper11]
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R160'S with a good chance of R42's.

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#497659 - 04/01/10 06:00 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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I heard there is R160 on R train. A T/O told me today.

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#497664 - 04/01/10 08:19 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Chipper11]
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You're not the real chipper10. Either way you need to be banned.

The new M should be all R160 but right now it's too early to tell. New service should begin at the end of June.

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#497670 - 04/01/10 08:29 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R32_3348]
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
You're not the real chipper10. Either way you need to be banned.





how do you know he's not the real chipper10?


Edited by R42 4811 (04/01/10 08:30 PM)
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#497672 - 04/01/10 08:33 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R42 4811]
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His sentences are longer because he usually talks about something as part of a larger MTA project (like whenever he asks about the G being xferred to CI Yard he relates it to the Culver viaduct project). He also does not post as frequently, and the grammar is still a little bit off too. He also asks the same questions over and over again, while some of the questions this guy is asking aren't the same (i.e. merging the F and the G).

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#497675 - 04/01/10 08:39 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R32_3348]
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
His sentences are longer because he usually talks about something as part of a larger MTA project (like whenever he asks about the G being xferred to CI Yard he relates it to the Culver viaduct project). He also does not post as frequently, and the grammar is still a little bit off too. He also asks the same questions over and over again, while some of the questions this guy is asking aren't the same (i.e. merging the F and the G).




Ah,i already know that he asks the same question over and over.
(does it at subchat)but your right,he's posting abit more then
what the real chipper10 would.
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#497805 - 04/11/10 02:21 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Chipper11]
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Originally Posted By: Chipper11
What trains are going to be run on M/V combo.

The kind that move and carry people from here to there.



Originally Posted By: Chipper11
When does new service begin.

Monday, June 28.



Originally Posted By: Chipper11
I am so excited, I cannot wait

You'll have to. It's still over 2 months away.

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#497832 - 04/13/10 09:41 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Gotham Bus Co.]
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Originally Posted By: Gotham Bus Co.
Originally Posted By: Chipper11
What trains are going to be run on M/V combo.

The kind that move and carry people from here to there.


(R160 8car) in case someone really wants to know...


Originally Posted By: Chipper11
When does new service begin.

Monday, June 28.



Originally Posted By: Chipper11
I am so excited, I cannot wait

You'll have to. It's still over 2 months away.

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#497842 - 04/13/10 07:00 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: marcmail]
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I wonder how many of us are gonna railfan that first M to go thru the cut, as some of us may not have been born then (I certainately don't remember it).
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#497851 - 04/14/10 11:22 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: TwoTimer]
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I don't think I actually rode it, but I remember peering out the front window of the D, hoping to meet 1 of those dark KK's with the yellow lights in the tunnel that seemed to appear out of no where. :-)
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#497856 - 04/14/10 06:10 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.

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#497864 - 04/14/10 08:22 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: 219]
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I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.


What makes you say that? You're taking two useless lines and putting them together, perfect

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#497867 - 04/14/10 09:55 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: 219]
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Originally Posted By: 219
I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.


Actually, it's going to do just fine. It really doesn't make much sense to have two terminals in Manhattan. If the M is not going to South Brooklyn, the M/V combo is a win-win situation for Queens and North Brooklyn riders who can now have direct Midtown service restored. It has the potential to alleviate some overcrowding on the L, A, and even E lines. The V doesn't need 10 car lengths, so 8 cars on the M will free up some cars for other lines if needed.

The drawback is for South Brooklyn riders who now have to use crush-loaded lines for service into lower Manhattan. Perhaps, the J or Z lines can run some limited service to Brooklyn if and when the bduget situation improves.
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#497871 - 04/15/10 09:31 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Sam]
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Originally Posted By: Sam
Originally Posted By: 219
I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.



The drawback is for South Brooklyn riders who now have to use crush-loaded lines for service into lower Manhattan. Perhaps, the J or Z lines can run some limited service to Brooklyn if and when the bduget situation improves.



Highly doubt they would send the J or Z south of Broad St cause
of the M not going to south brooklyn.
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#497873 - 04/15/10 09:35 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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Originally Posted By: R160Etrain
Originally Posted By: 219
I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.


What makes you say that? You're taking two useless lines and putting them together, perfect


The northern section of the M is far from useless and gets good ridership, so much so that NYCT extended its evening hours into Manhattan.

The southern section of the M is superfluous.

The V is useless.
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#497876 - 04/15/10 06:34 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express
Originally Posted By: R160Etrain
Originally Posted By: 219
I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.


What makes you say that? You're taking two useless lines and putting them together, perfect


The northern section of the M is far from useless and gets good ridership, so much so that NYCT extended its evening hours into Manhattan.

The southern section of the M is superfluous.

The V is useless.


The Myrtle Av portion of the M is useless, it could have easily just been cut back to a shuttle all times and just have the J go all local and the Z do the Bway Junction-Marcy Av bypass express.

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#497877 - 04/15/10 07:58 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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... are you serious? Are you seriously going to call the Myrtle Avenue portion of the M useless? Yes, it's not like it's the only route traveling there; nope, it serves no purpose whatsoever.

Jeez, think before you post.

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#497879 - 04/16/10 02:46 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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Originally Posted By: R160Etrain
Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express
Originally Posted By: R160Etrain
Originally Posted By: 219
I really don't think the M/V combo thingy won't work out too well.


What makes you say that? You're taking two useless lines and putting them together, perfect


The northern section of the M is far from useless and gets good ridership, so much so that NYCT extended its evening hours into Manhattan.

The southern section of the M is superfluous.

The V is useless.


The Myrtle Av portion of the M is useless, it could have easily just been cut back to a shuttle all times and just have the J go all local and the Z do the Bway Junction-Marcy Av bypass express.


This makes no sense. You are proposing to maintain service on the useless portion as you say and eliminate it on the useful portion.

In any instance, the northern section of the M gets good ridership, so much so that NYCT extended its evening hours into Manhattan.
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#497881 - 04/16/10 06:53 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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With the exception of Myrtle-Wyckoff, the ridership on the Myrtle is extremly small, excluding Myrtle-Wyckoff the total ridership of the branch is around 14,000 on an average weekday, heck an express station can get more ridership then that.

And like I said before if it was up to me I would have just had the M be a shuttle all times, J goes all local all times, the Z does the Bway Junction-Marcy Av express, then when SAS phase 3 comes, re-route the Z via SAS to 55 st, done.


Edited by R160Etrain (04/16/10 06:55 PM)

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#497884 - 04/17/10 09:31 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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You really need to get over this ridiculous mindset that lower ridership makes something useless. Not every line is going to carry QB or Lexington Avenue numbers.

Does the M along Myrtle Avenue serve a unique purpose not fulfilled by any other line? Does it provide service to areas that would otherwise not have any service? If the answers to both questions are "Yes," it is, by definition, not a "useless" line.


Edited by EPX2 (04/17/10 09:32 AM)

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#497890 - 04/18/10 06:03 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: EPX2]
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Originally Posted By: EPX2
You really need to get over this ridiculous mindset that lower ridership makes something useless. Not every line is going to carry QB or Lexington Avenue numbers.

Does the M along Myrtle Avenue serve a unique purpose not fulfilled by any other line? Does it provide service to areas that would otherwise not have any service? If the answers to both questions are "Yes," it is, by definition, not a "useless" line.


Excellent point! The M does what it is supposed to do: provide a unique service through Brooklyn and Queens. Ridership had declined, but that reflects a shift in business from lower Manhattan to Midtown (especially since 9-11). I would imagine that ridership will increase with it's new routing through 6th Avenue. Every line is "useless" if it's not yours!
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#497891 - 04/18/10 11:17 AM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: Sam]
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Sure the M is the only line that serves Myrtle Av but after that it's all down hill.
The J/Z do the bypass just so people even ride the M.

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#497893 - 04/18/10 12:36 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: R160Etrain]
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Again, lower ridership doesn't make a line useless. By your logic, the A to Far Rockaway and the Rockaway Park shutte are both useless services because they serve stations with the lowest ridership in the system.

There's always going to be lines that carry lower numbers of passengers. You will never find a transit system as comprehensive as ours that does not have inequality in usage among the different routes; it's just not going to happen.

Just because a line doesn't carry QB or Lexington Avenue numbers doesn't make it useless. If anything, if you are using those two lines to determine the usefulness of others, you *shouldn't* be, considering they're perfect examples of POOR transit planning - the main reason both lines are so ridiculously packed is because there's no suitable alternative for either one. There's a reason the 2nd Avenue subway is being built. There's a reason there's been several proposals for a super-express along the Queens Boulevard line.


Edited by EPX2 (04/18/10 12:37 PM)

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#497894 - 04/18/10 12:42 PM Re: M/V Combo. [Re: EPX2]
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Originally Posted By: EPX2
Again, lower ridership doesn't make a line useless. By your logic, the A to Far Rockaway and the Rockaway Park shutte are both useless services because they serve stations with the lowest ridership in the system.

There's always going to be lines that carry lower numbers of passengers. You will never find a transit system as comprehensive as ours that does not have inequality in usage among the different routes; it's just not going to happen.

Just because a line doesn't carry QB or Lexington Avenue numbers doesn't make it useless. If anything, if you are using those two lines to determine the usefulness of others, you *shouldn't* be, considering they're perfect examples of POOR transit planning - the main reason both lines are so ridiculously packed is because there's no suitable alternative for either one. There's a reason the 2nd Avenue subway is being built. There's a reason there's been several proposals for a super-express along the Queens Boulevard line.


Useless is "probably" a wrong word but at least the A is SRO by the time it leaves Euclid Av.

The M on the other hand can easily be cut back to a shuttle at ANY TIME.

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