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#497776 - 04/09/10 02:18 PM New Cars on "R" Line`
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I noticed this morning the new cars on the R line at Forest Hills. Unbelievable -- this is one of the most crowded trains and the E/F too, and they are using cars with less room. Why?

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#497777 - 04/09/10 02:22 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: FtoVanWyck]
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If you mean the R160, they have more room per full length train, and the doors are wider to facilitate ingress/egress
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#497779 - 04/09/10 02:28 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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I don't know what number it is called but I do know these new trains have 43 seats, vs. 75 and 6 seats on a bench with a pole in the middle so when a 7th person could fit, one can't due to the pole. These are the same trains on the E/F line that now accommodate less people, They are more crowded.

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#497795 - 04/10/10 07:27 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: FtoVanWyck]
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The number for the new trains is the R160, vs. the older R46s that were used on the F and R lines. While there were more seats on the older cars, they were 75 feet long vs. the 60-foot new cars. A full-length train is 600'. Both trains have 4 doors per car, so an 8-car train of R46s would have 32 doors while a 10-car train of R160s has 40 doors. This makes it easier for passengers to get on and off the train.

Also, the R46s have 70 or 76 seats per car (depending on the type of car) while the R160s have 42 or 44 seats per car (depending on the type of car). So in an 8-car train of R46s you will have 584 seats (4 cars with 70 and 4 cars with 76), while in a 10-car train of R160s you will have 432 seats (4 cars with 42 and 6 cars with 44). So while it is true that a train of R46s has more seats, a train of R160s has more standing room (the seats take up less space) to balance out the load. Also, a newer train has more doors to make boarding time faster.

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#497810 - 04/11/10 09:41 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R32_3348]
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I camped out at Forest Hills yesterday awaiting an R160 (R) Train. I was waititng 40 minutes and then three sets came up in a row. Although I first saw the R160 (R) on Saturday April 3rd, two in a row, totally unexpected and I though it was a rerouted (F) train or something.... I was in car #9317.
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#497814 - 04/12/10 01:41 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: MotionBoy]
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8 Car Full Length Trains do SEAT more customers sure but carry less at crush load. The side seat design and bigger doors allow more standees so technically the 10 car R160 carries more then 8 car R46 at crush load.
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#497824 - 04/12/10 08:22 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Brighton Line]
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i would not think the r160 would be on the R so fast but there are really coming from the F line...for some reason over the weekend the F had many of the R line r46's and the R now has a few of the F line R160's...These R160's are not even fully programmed for the R line...but NYCTSubwayScoop told me "Those cars are just in the 'burn in' phase of testing. Don't expect there to be R160's on R line,You will see more R160s on E and F by the time this current order of cars arrives."

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#497857 - 04/14/10 06:11 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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The R is running the R160 cars now? I'm surprised...

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#497870 - 04/14/10 11:55 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: 219]
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I saw one today again..it reminds me of what happened to the E and F...When the E was almost Full of R160's they stop and started putting them on the F then when the F became 50-50 mix of R160's and R46's then the E became all R160 now with the F almost all R160 they have stopped adding more and now the R has like 3sets R160's from the F...maybe the R will see more R160's then the F will be all R160 with the R being 50-50 R160's and R46's?

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#497872 - 04/15/10 09:31 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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A tweet from NYCT said not to expect the R160 on the R permanently and that they were first all headed for the E & F.
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#497888 - 04/18/10 03:26 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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I saw one today on my way to work
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#497898 - 04/18/10 06:16 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: TwoTimer]
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Those R160s are not burn testing, they are in revenue service on the R so that tweet might be some misinformation. I would expect R160s to stay on the R for a good while but the numbers of R160s on the F and R lines are both subject to change.

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#497903 - 04/18/10 11:48 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R32_3348]
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
Those R160s are not burn testing, they are in revenue service on the R so that tweet might be some misinformation. I would expect R160s to stay on the R for a good while but the numbers of R160s on the F and R lines are both subject to change.


Thx..R32_3348
I was thinking the same as you!...I have been seeing more R46's on the F than before+ All the R160's on the R ..The FIND are all reading F train to C.I. or 179st.

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#497925 - 04/20/10 04:28 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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I was impressed to see that the R160's made it to the R line.
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#497931 - 04/20/10 09:45 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Hiro Nakamura]
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I saw3 and rode on 2 R160 R trains today....with their FIND working! I wonder if the MTA is trying to get more R46's over the the A line to get all the R44's off daily service! I also saw another new set of R160 in testing....looks like new R160's are on the F while the F is transferring a little bit older R160's to the R?

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#497940 - 04/20/10 11:55 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Any status on those SRO designed 160s?
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#497947 - 04/21/10 12:59 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: TwoTimer]
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There is at least two cars with folding seats on the E. You can tell by the strange center poles that spilt in two and the warning signs that you are being video taped.
They will not fold up the seats until summer starts when loadings are lower, that's when the test will begin.
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#497950 - 04/22/10 03:50 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
I saw3 and rode on 2 R160 R trains today....with their FIND working! I wonder if the MTA is trying to get more R46's over the the A line to get all the R44's off daily service! I also saw another new set of R160 in testing....looks like new R160's are on the F while the F is transferring a little bit older R160's to the R?
I think that's what they're doing putting R160s on R, and sending some R46 to replace R44s from A. Now I've been seeing some empty R44s going uptown, so that's a sign for retirement.
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#497951 - 04/22/10 07:59 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: A-train]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
I saw3 and rode on 2 R160 R trains today....with their FIND working! I wonder if the MTA is trying to get more R46's over the the A line to get all the R44's off daily service! I also saw another new set of R160 in testing....looks like new R160's are on the F while the F is transferring a little bit older R160's to the R?
I think that's what they're doing putting R160s on R, and sending some R46 to replace R44s from A. Now I've been seeing some empty R44s going uptown, so that's a sign for retirement.


Putting the good R44's in storage and or getting rid of the bad ones off the A line seems to be major now..

I read in the of the city's free news papers yesterday that the MTA is trying to buy more cars, not sure if its more R160's or R179's

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#497960 - 04/22/10 11:17 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
Originally Posted By: A-train
Originally Posted By: marcmail
I saw3 and rode on 2 R160 R trains today....with their FIND working! I wonder if the MTA is trying to get more R46's over the the A line to get all the R44's off daily service! I also saw another new set of R160 in testing....looks like new R160's are on the F while the F is transferring a little bit older R160's to the R?
I think that's what they're doing putting R160s on R, and sending some R46 to replace R44s from A. Now I've been seeing some empty R44s going uptown, so that's a sign for retirement.





Putting the good R44's in storage and or getting rid of the bad ones off the A line seems to be major now..

I read in the of the city's free news papers yesterday that the MTA is trying to buy more cars, not sure if its more R160's or R179's




All of the R44 cars are going to be stored,weather they are good or bad.as for buying new cars,i don't know if they can
currently with their budget problems.
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#497972 - 04/22/10 10:45 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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they should give the A new car instead of those R46
it sux it run slow in the A line n lack of ac

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#497974 - 04/22/10 10:56 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: angel1985]
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Originally Posted By: angel1985
they should give the A new car instead of those R46
it sux it run slow in the A line n lack of ac



The A line will likely get new cars in a few years.for now,the
R44(soon to be retired) and the R46 are on the A line.
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#497975 - 04/23/10 12:18 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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The R46's are great roomy trains! A great fit on the A and maybe later C lines...

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#497977 - 04/23/10 02:27 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Brighton Line]
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There is at least two cars with folding seats on the E. You can tell by the strange center poles that spilt in two and the warning signs that you are being video taped.
They will not fold up the seats until summer starts when loadings are lower, that's when the test will begin.


Anyone know car numbers on some of these SRO R160 trains? I'd like to keep an eye out and try to see one!
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#497980 - 04/23/10 09:40 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: cda]
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There is at least two cars with folding seats on the E. You can tell by the strange center poles that spilt in two and the warning signs that you are being video taped.
They will not fold up the seats until summer starts when loadings are lower, that's when the test will begin.


Anyone know car numbers on some of these SRO R160 trains? I'd like to keep an eye out and try to see one!




8713-8722,i think only 4 cars have the flip-up seats.
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#498012 - 04/26/10 01:31 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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Thanks! Is this set on the E currently?
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#498019 - 04/26/10 05:35 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: cda]
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Thanks! Is this set on the E currently?




Yes,that set is on the E line currently.
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#498047 - 04/29/10 01:18 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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counting about 4 r160's on the R so far?

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#498070 - 05/02/10 07:19 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
I saw3 and rode on 2 R160 R trains today....with their FIND working! I wonder if the MTA is trying to get more R46's over the the A line to get all the R44's off daily service!
That's the plan.

Originally Posted By: A-train
I think that's what they're doing putting R160s on R, and sending some R46 to replace R44s from A. Now I've been seeing some empty R44s going uptown, so that's a sign for retirement.
A trains regularly deadhead uptown to resume service, so those R44s are not necessarily going to storage. However, 64 R44s have been retired already, bringing the R44 fleet down from 272 cars to just 208.

Originally Posted By: marcmail
Putting the good R44's in storage and or getting rid of the bad ones off the A line seems to be major now..

I read in the of the city's free news papers yesterday that the MTA is trying to buy more cars, not sure if its more R160's or R179's

That's referring to the R179s and R188s. The R179s are for retiring the remaining R32s and R42s after the R44s are all gone while the R188s are for CBTC on the 7 line. However, these car orders are years away.

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#498087 - 05/04/10 12:40 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R32_3348]
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Wow! 208 cars left on R44s, still plenty more in service. Good because I don't want all of them to be retired yet. Why can't they keep the cars that are still in good shape? Because I don't think that they're all in bad shape, some are good, and some are bad.
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#498089 - 05/04/10 01:32 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: A-train]
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i could somewhat picture the A/C being all R46's from the R,F and later the would be old V lines, while the R could get the future R179's..(which are now said to be 60ft and not 75ft as once thought) but for now.. i think by fall U could see all A's as R46's + the C R32's with the good left over R44's in storage for a as needed bases

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#498091 - 05/04/10 03:09 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: A-train]
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I saw more R160s on the George Washington Bridge last night being delivered by trailers. The numbers were 9971, 9972, and 9973; I couldn't see the others.

On another note, why were these cars delivered by truck? It seems a very inefficient way to bring rolling stock into the system. I recall seeing new cars in the 1980s arriving by ship in Brooklyn and being rolled out into the freight tracks off the piers that connect at 39th Street onto the West End line. It would seem that the current method leaves a very large carbon footprint and must cost a fortune to deliver one by one.

Just a few thoughts.
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#498092 - 05/04/10 01:02 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: A-train]
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The damage the R44's have can not be seen by just looking at the car. There is internal frame damage.
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#498102 - 05/05/10 01:13 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Brighton Line]
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Is it true the (R) has three sets of R160s in service?
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#498121 - 05/05/10 01:28 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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The R and V are running 160's and there is a R32 on the B. Yard line assignments change.
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#498125 - 05/05/10 02:18 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Brighton Line]
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can't wait for the R32 to appear on the new M!
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#498131 - 05/05/10 08:48 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: Sam]
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I saw more R160s on the George Washington Bridge last night being delivered by trailers. The numbers were 9971, 9972, and 9973; I couldn't see the others.

On another note, why were these cars delivered by truck? It seems a very inefficient way to bring rolling stock into the system. I recall seeing new cars in the 1980s arriving by ship in Brooklyn and being rolled out into the freight tracks off the piers that connect at 39th Street onto the West End line. It would seem that the current method leaves a very large carbon footprint and must cost a fortune to deliver one by one.

Just a few thoughts.



They are delivered by truck cause they come from upstate NY.
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#498132 - 05/05/10 08:49 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Is it true the (R) has three sets of R160s in service?




Last i heard,they had 4 on the R line.
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#498133 - 05/05/10 08:50 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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can't wait for the R32 to appear on the new M!




Slim chance of that happening.
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#498135 - 05/05/10 10:36 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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Originally Posted By: Sam
I saw more R160s on the George Washington Bridge last night being delivered by trailers. The numbers were 9971, 9972, and 9973; I couldn't see the others.

On another note, why were these cars delivered by truck? It seems a very inefficient way to bring rolling stock into the system. I recall seeing new cars in the 1980s arriving by ship in Brooklyn and being rolled out into the freight tracks off the piers that connect at 39th Street onto the West End line. It would seem that the current method leaves a very large carbon footprint and must cost a fortune to deliver one by one.

Just a few thoughts.



They are delivered by truck cause they come from upstate NY.



Didn't the Alstom R68s also come from ustate and weren't they delivered by ship?
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#498140 - 05/06/10 10:01 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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can't wait for the R32 to appear on the new M!




Slim chance of that happening.


Are there enough 8 car R160s to cover the new M?
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#498142 - 05/06/10 11:44 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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can't wait for the R32 to appear on the new M!




Slim chance of that happening.


Are there enough 8 car R160s to cover the new M?



yea,they could put an R32 on the J/Z lines to cover for service.
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#499046 - 07/21/10 07:20 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: R42 4811]
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are there any R160's on the R anymore?...looks like they are back to having all R46's again..+ looks like the F maybe all R160 now?

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#499054 - 07/21/10 10:49 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
are there any R160's on the R anymore?...looks like they are back to having all R46's again..+ looks like the F maybe all R160 now?


saw one today!!!

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#499061 - 07/23/10 08:18 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: marcmail]
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Originally Posted By: marcmail
are there any R160's on the R anymore?...looks like they are back to having all R46's again..+ looks like the F maybe all R160 now?


saw 2 today!!!

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#500763 - 11/29/11 12:28 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: FtoVanWyck]
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can i test my first post in this forum?

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#500778 - 12/07/11 10:45 PM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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a year later i guess this was right...but today for the first time in a while i rode on an R160 via the R line...car numbers in the 94XX while seeing many R46's on the F line these days?

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#502227 - 10/10/13 01:29 AM Re: New Cars on "R" Line` [Re: pridzzz]
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