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#497311 - 03/12/10 05:50 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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As far as I know, there are few or none express bus options to anywhere within roughly 30 mins of midtown... or people have to learn to leave earlier. There's going to be no expansion (no money for that), line capacity is measured by its capacity at its choke point, not in other places where more trains can potentially run (you hear that <L> people). The reason its so jammed is b/c Williamsburg is so close to midtown and lower Manhattan that a lot of people take the extra half hour or hour of sleep that those further out can't afford, which crushes the line within minutes. People just have to leave earlier.

On other longer jaunts (2)(6)(Q)(D) for example, its more of a slow building rush hour.
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#497339 - 03/14/10 04:03 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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Originally Posted By: toure
The 7 cannot be compared to the J. Yes, it can be called neighborhood train like the J, but atleast it serves many different neighborhoods, and seems to always be packed. And it has a nice express run. Rush hours trains are ridiculously crowded on the 7. It also serves the busiest station in the system, as well as stopping at Grand Central, another major transit hub. The point is, it serves midtown, something the J needs to do.
Originally Posted By: toure
[quote=TwoTimer]Not everyone is trying to get to Manhattan, downtown Brooklyn is a destination too and the J doesnt go down there.

The J is a longer line than the 7 and actually serves more neighborhoods in Brooklyn and Queens than the 7 does. Rush hour trains are also "ridiculously crowded" on the J too. While the 7 serves a major transit hub at Grand Central, the J serves another major transit hub at Fulton St. And the whole point of the J is to offer a one-seat ride to downtown Manhattan without going through Midtown.
Originally Posted By: toure
B/c Manhattan's level of importance is wayyy higher.
That's ignoring his point...
Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express
But the MTA is top heavy with managers and planners who should be planning even as we post. Planning is an ongoing, extended process that economic cycles should not directly affect. Since I see the same sorry cast of characters going in and out of MTAHQ every day, they should take this lull in the Williamsburg explosion and figure out their solution before, and it will be inevitable, Williamsburg grows even more.

They are figuring out that solution, which is fully implementing CBTC on the line. In fact they will be able to remove all of the old automatic signals on the line by the middle of next year when implementation is complete.

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#497358 - 03/15/10 08:25 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: R32_3348]
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You CANNOT compare the J to the 7. For one thing the 7 runs 30 TPH while the J only runs a mere 6 TPH, 12 TPH if the Z is running, so basically excluding the Z, the 7 runs 5 TIMES the amount of J trains. Also there is more ridership along 42 st than there is along the Nassau st line, Essex to Broad st. Also 7 trains are longer than the J, plus almost every station along the 7 is busy especially Main st, while the stations along the J in Queens/Brooklyn barely get any ridership and are at best decent.

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#497360 - 03/15/10 09:23 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: R160Etrain]
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7 runs more off-peak than the J runs during the rush lol, and the "longer train" excuse most B division trains use isnt even applicable.
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#497492 - 03/25/10 02:42 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: TwoTimer]
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all in the fact L neeeds a Plan that will Decrease SRO Rush hrs and Eliviate to the other lines that's why the new M will do just that.
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#498906 - 07/03/10 11:15 AM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: TwoTimer]
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Depends on your point of view and how much you value a minute. Without 'CBTC'/'ATO', the total trip time from Canarsie to 8th Avenue, is 40 minutes, peak travel time. The same trip with 'ATO' available the entire length, is 34 minutes, hence the ability to add more trains and carry a 3 minute headway (at times) with all the curves, twists and turns (utilizing timers in the 'old system', thereby extending trip time) on the line.

As far as the T/O's operating in 'ATPM' (Automatic Train Protection - Manual) mode leaving the terminal, this in accordance with NYCT safety rules. The T/O is required to make a sensitive rolling test (all brakes have released) upon leaving the terminal - regardless of equipment.

Hope the sheds some light...
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#498907 - 07/03/10 11:22 AM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: R32_3348]
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Just better hope you don't have to put a train into 'BYPASS' after eliminating all those automatics..... those are going to be some very loonnngggg signal blocks you have there, hence fer sure a delay in service. Think the trains are crowded now......
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#499460 - 10/05/10 05:55 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: R160Etrain]
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This is New York, there is no such thing as a full train, especially on the L, where it's full of suburban kids from Williamsburg and other diet Manhattan neighborhoods who are not used to having virtually no personal space.

What looks like a "full" train turns out to be 2/3 full when people actually step in and compress together.

As such, never pass on a "full" train. Just push your way on, there is a ton of space in those cars.

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#499461 - 10/05/10 07:34 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: Shawn_Chittle]
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Originally Posted By: Shawn_Chittle
This is New York, there is no such thing as a full train, ......


Obviously you have never ridden on the 4 or 5 train in Manhattan during the rush hours.
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#499517 - 10/19/10 08:25 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: Shawn_Chittle]
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Originally Posted By: Shawn_Chittle
This is New York, there is no such thing as a full train, especially on the L, where it's full of suburban kids from Williamsburg and other diet Manhattan neighborhoods who are not used to having virtually no personal space.

What looks like a "full" train turns out to be 2/3 full when people actually step in and compress together.

As such, never pass on a "full" train. Just push your way on, there is a ton of space in those cars.


I have to agree with the part about the hipsters. That could very well be the case with the L.

Just my bias.
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#499712 - 12/16/10 04:29 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: Shawn_Chittle]
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Originally Posted By: Shawn_Chittle
This is New York, there is no such thing as a full train, especially on the L, where it's full of suburban kids from Williamsburg and other diet Manhattan neighborhoods who are not used to having virtually no personal space.

What looks like a "full" train turns out to be 2/3 full when people actually step in and compress together.

As such, never pass on a "full" train. Just push your way on, there is a ton of space in those cars.


To the contrary, the L is at and over capacity during most of the rush hour, and there are few 'suburban kids from Williamsburg" (Williamsburg is not a suburb) on board. Most are working stiffs just tryin' to make a livin' or school kids.
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#499767 - 12/29/10 10:32 AM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: R160Etrain]
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this thread has no more of a ending so im going to say get to the point.
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#499771 - 12/29/10 01:26 PM Re: Letting L trains go by [Re: Q89LCL]
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Originally Posted By: Q89LCL
this thread has no more of a ending so im going to say get to the point.


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