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#495594 - 01/09/10 12:28 AM Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext
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Looks like Mayor Bloomberg is about to build another useless extension. The second extension looks suspiciously like the first (no stops between the previous terminus and the new one), but much longer.

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MAYOR BLOOMBERG AND GOVERNOR SPITZER ANNOUNCE START OF CONSTRUCTION ON ANOTHER #7 SUBWAY EXTENSION

Subway Service Expansion to the currently useless Staten Island dump will Provide Critical Transit Access and Will Spur Development there (hopefully)

Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg and Governor Paterson today announced the start of construction for another extension of the #7 subway line on Manhattan's Far West Side and Staten Island, from its current terminus at 34 Street and 11 Avenue, southward under to Battery Park, and south via a tunnel to Staten Island. The $10 zillion project will foster transit oriented development in one of Staten Island's unserved and never developed areas, and will be a catalyst for realizing whatever project they’re planning down there. The economic development resulting from the completion of this extremely long extension will yield an unknown amount in tax revenues to the State and City over the next million years, and will create an unspecified number of new construction and permanent jobs. The first $10 contract for sketching a fantasy map was approved by the MTA on January 9, 2010. The Governor and Mayor were joined at the announcement by the council speaker; MTA Executive Director and CEO Jay Walder; and some other irrelevant people.

"Nothing better exemplifies our commitment to transit oriented development than the fact that we're wastefully spending for yet another extension of the #7 and working with the MTA and the State to realize this," said Mayor Michael Bloomberg. "The development of the Staten Island dump simply couldn't happen without this extension, but it’ll probably not happen soon anyway."

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Source: It's a joke. I couldn't wait 'till April. Enjoy! smile
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#495595 - 01/09/10 12:34 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: CenSin]
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Lol, I remember all this claims of financial prudence yet us taxpayers get to pay for the Jets' stadium....
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#495604 - 01/09/10 09:19 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: TwoTimer]
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I would love to see the #7 extended south from the Javits Center...

- Option 1: Down 11th Avenue and West Street to a new terminal under Battery Park with transfers to the #1, #4, #5, R.

- Option 2: Down 11th Avenue, across 14th Street, and merged with the L to form a new Flushing-Canarsie Line. (Of course, this would mean refitting the entire Flushing Line to B-Division standards, but realism doesn't matter when talking about things that will never happen anyway!)

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#495605 - 01/09/10 11:24 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: Gotham Bus Co.]
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Lol! That's the spirit!
Though if not for the Steinway tubes, it 'could be' possible to convert the 7 into a B division line. It would make car moves much easier by having it borrow trains from say CI yard than from the ML IRT lines.

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#495634 - 01/10/10 09:52 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: Gotham Bus Co.]
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Originally Posted By: Gotham Bus Co.
Option 2: Down 11th Avenue, across 14th Street, and merged with the L to form a new Flushing-Canarsie Line. (Of course, this would mean refitting the entire Flushing Line to B-Division standards, but realism doesn't matter when talking about things that will never happen anyway!)


Or, instead of refitting the Flushing Line, I could refit the Canarsie Line to A-Division standards.

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#495651 - 01/10/10 04:36 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: Gotham Bus Co.]
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That would greatly reduce capacity though. Here's the difference of TPH you'd have to run if you wanted the line to move 80,000 people per hour:

A Division Train Capacity (510’)
A Car Capacity – 176 X 4 = 704
B Car Capacity – 188 X 6 = 1128
Total Train Capacity = 1832
80,000 Passengers Per Hour = 43.4 TPH

B Division Train Capacity (600’)
A Car Capacity – 240 X 4 = 960
B Car Capacity – 246 X 6 = 1476
Total Train Capacity = 2436
80,000 Passengers Per Hour = 32.8 TPH

So if you were to make the L an A Division line, you'd have to increase the frequency by around 10TPH just to move the same amount of people. Making the 7 a B Division line would also greatly increase capacity and ease crowding problems.


Edited by R32_3348 (01/10/10 04:37 PM)

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#495675 - 01/11/10 10:48 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: R32_3348]
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Agreed, plus aren't there are some stations on the L that might have problems in holding a 561' train?
I am more biased in favor of B division cars as they can hold more riders than A divison cars. Plus the 7 is isolated and should just join the rest of B division to make fleet moves easier.

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#495737 - 01/13/10 08:06 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: Grand Concourse]
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The 7 should go to the Javit's center, and maybe downtown to the west village.

But to serve Staten Island, the R should go beneath the Verranzo bridge and connect to the existing Staten Island rapid transit.

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#495739 - 01/13/10 08:41 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway Ext [Re: Aman]
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Originally Posted By: Aman
But to serve Staten Island, the R should go beneath the Verranzo bridge and connect to the existing Staten Island rapid transit.

"This is Bay Ridge–95 Street"
"This is a Staten Island-bound R train. The next and last stop is Fresh Kills Dump."
"Stand clear of the closing doors please."
"This is Fresh Kills Dump."
"Ladies and gentlemen, please hold your nose when you exit the train. Thank you for riding with MTA New York City Transit!"
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#495781 - 01/15/10 08:30 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Grand Concourse]
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Originally Posted By: CenSin
Originally Posted By: Aman
But to serve Staten Island, the R should go beneath the Verranzo bridge and connect to the existing Staten Island rapid transit.

"This is Bay Ridge–95 Street"
"This is a Staten Island-bound R train. The next and last stop is Fresh Kills Dump."
"Stand clear of the closing doors please."
"This is Fresh Kills Dump."
"Ladies and gentlemen, please hold your nose when you exit the train. Thank you for riding with MTA New York City Transit!"


Lol



Originally Posted By: Grand Concourse
Agreed, plus aren't there are some stations on the L that might have problems in holding a 561' train?
I am more biased in favor of B division cars as they can hold more riders than A divison cars. Plus the 7 is isolated and should just join the rest of B division to make fleet moves easier.


Well for one thing, the stations on the 7 line are long enough to handle (L), so I guess all the MTA would have to do is widen the tunnels from Times Sq to Hunters Pt Av right.

It actually would be cool if they did this becuase now the (L) would have a REAL terminal (Main st) and only the Canarsie terminal would have to be fixed. And the L would FINALLY get more service.

(L)-Main st to Canarsie
<L> Main st to Canarsie(Flushing Express)


Edited by R160Etrain (01/15/10 08:31 AM)

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#495790 - 01/15/10 04:22 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: R160Etrain]
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But the problem becomes the new line serving two equally congested segments of Manhattan, which will really delay the overall line.
I do think the lines should be isolated from each other.

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#495827 - 01/17/10 11:40 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Grand Concourse]
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This is bonkers but if it does happen more power to Bloomberg.
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#495830 - 01/17/10 01:33 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Q89LCL]
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Um, the original poster already said this was a joke...

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#495899 - 01/19/10 09:34 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Grand Concourse]
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-_- what a waste of time then.
And p.s that would be crazy to see due to the mileage between jjcntr to that area of si.
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#495900 - 01/19/10 09:36 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Q89LCL]
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That wasn't a funny april fools joke.
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#495952 - 01/21/10 09:44 AM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: Q89LCL]
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Great post. Thanks to OP. I couldn't even imagine what would happen to the L with a reduced capacity. It is already over capacity as it is.

I wonder, is there any discussion at all lengthening the platforms and making the L 10, or 11 cars?
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#495957 - 01/21/10 06:33 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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I think that, since the 7 is going to have tail tracks going down to 23rd Street, it should have a station there. The tracks are supposed to be storage tracks, but there won't be a whole lot of extra trainsets to store, probably just the ones that are going to be out of service for the middle of the day. I don't know how many tracks would be built, but all you need are two tracks to run the service, so any tracks more than those two can end at bumper blocks before the 23rd Street Station. I don't know if it needs to go all the way to 14th Street-8th Avenue, because there is already a transfer at Times Square, and taking the 7 directly to the L if somebody needed to wouldn't be much faster, with all of the curves and the indirectness of the route. Maybe, just for people going from 11th Avenue to 8th Avenue.
I don't think it should be merged with the L, because even though there would be no congestion with other lines (besides the local/express merge and the crossing over at the terminal), there would be the potential for delays with all of the holding of doors and trains going too fast or slow, or having mechanical problems, etc. It is just better to keep them as 2 separate lines.
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#495993 - 01/23/10 01:04 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: checkmatechamp13]
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The tail tracks only go down to near 26th St. I think that in the future, if the population increases demand it, the line should be further extended down to include stations at 23rd and 14th Streets. They should also build the 10th Ave. station when the project is complete, when they find the funds for it.

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#496028 - 01/25/10 06:59 PM Re: Mayor Bloomberg Announces Yet Another 7 Subway [Re: R32_3348]
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