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#484716 - 06/02/09 10:39 PM 4 peak express service in the Bronx
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At Subchat Newkirk Fairy David posted a thread about a new peak express service on the 4 line. In the morning some 4 trains will only stop at Woodlawn, Mosholu Parkway, Burnside Avenue, and 149 street/Grand Concourse. Link
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#484728 - 06/02/09 11:18 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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According to poster it leaves 7:15, 7:30, 7:45 and 8:00.
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#484734 - 06/02/09 11:54 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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I remember R160Etrain's long post about semi-express service. I still don't think it will work, the local stations have a lot of passengers, and the express service only serves select stops -- to little to be effective.
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#484741 - 06/03/09 12:33 AM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: EQ_Express]
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I agree with what's been said in that thread. It's probably being done for the benefit of Manhattan riders.

Sucks for Bronx riders who don't live at the "express" stops.

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#484748 - 06/03/09 10:13 AM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Jamal BK3]
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Here's the (4) Service Advisory: "Some Utica Avenue bound trains run express from Moshulu Parkway to 125th Street during AM Rush Hour, 7-8am Monday to Friday June 8 to June 26. Please allow additional travel time at skipped stations." Why not northbound one hour during PM Rush also?


Edited by EE Broadway Local (06/03/09 10:22 AM)
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#485044 - 06/06/09 09:55 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Because if they do it northbound during the pm rush the <4> would empty out at 149 st.

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#485047 - 06/06/09 10:18 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: R160Etrain]
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Thanks. I was just curious why they aren't trying northbound PM Rush express service for an hour in the same pattern - 125th Street to Mosholu Parkway.
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#485048 - 06/06/09 10:20 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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No problem.

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#485055 - 06/06/09 11:08 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
Thanks. I was just curious why they aren't trying northbound PM Rush express service for an hour in the same pattern - 125th Street to Mosholu Parkway.


It would create too much confusion at 125 street. Riders would block the doors of the train since they wouldn't know whether it's express or local. This would delay the entire Lexington Avenue line.
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#485058 - 06/06/09 11:13 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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Wouldnt just be easier to just take the <4> to 149 st then wait for the (4)?

Plus the (4) uses R142's not R62's like the 7 so this might negate confusion, although the R142's can't do diamonds on the side like the 7 does wih the LED's


Edited by R160Etrain (06/06/09 11:15 PM)

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#485065 - 06/06/09 11:49 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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Thanks. I was just curious why they aren't trying northbound PM Rush express service for an hour in the same pattern - 125th Street to Mosholu Parkway.


It would create too much confusion at 125 street. Riders would block the doors of the train since they wouldn't know whether it's express or local. This would delay the entire Lexington Avenue line.


They could do something like they did with the 6 during the PM rush.

"This is a Woodlawn-bound 4 train making express stops in the Bronx. The next stop is 86th Street."
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#485074 - 06/07/09 11:44 AM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Lexington]
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Thanks. I was just curious why they aren't trying northbound PM Rush express service for an hour in the same pattern - 125th Street to Mosholu Parkway.


It would create too much confusion at 125 street. Riders would block the doors of the train since they wouldn't know whether it's express or local. This would delay the entire Lexington Avenue line.


They could do something like they did with the 6 during the PM rush.

"This is a Woodlawn-bound 4 train making express stops in the Bronx. The next stop is 86th Street."

That would work. I wanna hear what the announcements are going to sound like with this new Bronx Express service.
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#485080 - 06/07/09 12:57 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Princelex]
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Thanks. I was just curious why they aren't trying northbound PM Rush express service for an hour in the same pattern - 125th Street to Mosholu Parkway.


It would create too much confusion at 125 street. Riders would block the doors of the train since they wouldn't know whether it's express or local. This would delay the entire Lexington Avenue line.


They could do something like they did with the 6 during the PM rush.

"This is a Woodlawn-bound 4 train making express stops in the Bronx. The next stop is 86th Street."

That would work. I wanna hear what the announcements are going to sound like with this new Bronx Express service.


Guys this is only a 'trial experiment' for nearly a month until around June 30.

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#485084 - 06/07/09 01:07 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: TTCGiant1]
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It's only a test run..

Having the 4 express in The Bronx and skipping all the stops with high ridership means emptier trains, and more room for passengers once it gets to 125 Street.

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#485087 - 06/07/09 01:15 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: BX41LCL]
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Personally this is a good test to run. The other option(my idea) would have been to 'deadhead' on the express tracks, morning #4's w/ no passengers and start them at 161 Street. This is the same on what done post Yankee games.

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#485149 - 06/08/09 12:39 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Jamal BK3]
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Originally Posted By: Jamal BK3
I agree with what's been said in that thread. It's probably being done for the benefit of Manhattan riders.

Sucks for Bronx riders who don't live at the "express" stops.


How would this be of benefit to Manhattan riders?
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#485152 - 06/08/09 12:47 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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They're able to board emptier trains.
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#485165 - 06/08/09 01:38 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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Was anyone able to try one of the four special trains from either Moshulu Parkway or Burnside Avenue this morning and if so, how was the ride?
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#485195 - 06/08/09 07:04 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Was anyone able to try one of the four special trains from either Moshulu Parkway or Burnside Avenue this morning and if so, how was the ride?



Paul here story/video clip link from NY1 News that just aired a few minutes ago on the 6pm newscast.


http://ny1.com/content/top_stories/10037...?ap=1&Flash

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#485196 - 06/08/09 07:28 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: TTCGiant1]
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Im glad to see that Jerome riders are happy the the new express.

When I looked at the video I was bit shocked that it still got some decent crowding despite skipping all those stops. Heck it was almost SRO!

Go <4>!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Edited by R160Etrain (06/08/09 07:34 PM)

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#485202 - 06/08/09 09:41 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: R160Etrain]
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Great test!!!!

i wonder if it can work on the Broadway line, where there are 3 tracks?

The original track planners/designers knew more than we give them credit for!

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#485204 - 06/08/09 09:56 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Aman]
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It's only 3 tracks up to Dyckman St and 2 tracks till 145th. So I'm not sure if it would be the same.

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#485219 - 06/09/09 10:46 AM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Grand Concourse]
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I saw the report on NY1 last night and it looked very interesting. Everybody interviewed really liked it. I can't wait to see where this all ends up for the 4.
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#485584 - 06/13/09 01:11 AM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Forest Glen]
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They're able to board emptier trains.

yeah, in this trial when there's only one <4> every 15 min, it'll be empty. but once this becomes regular service, of course everybody's gonna get off at Burnside to get the <4>. its the same number of riders on the same number of trains. they cant add trains b/c the Lex line is already at capacity. they're just gonna run less local (4)s


Edited by Bronx Thru Express (06/13/09 01:14 AM)
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#485615 - 06/13/09 05:50 PM Re: 4 peak express service in the Bronx [Re: Bronx Thru Express]
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If it does become permanent, the <4> is going to probably still maintain 15 min headways.

Whether (4) riders are really going to get off and transfer to the <4>, is questionable.


Edited by R160Etrain (06/13/09 05:50 PM)

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