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#474288 - 03/14/09 08:30 PM An (L) Line What If?
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What if the B.M.T. had built the Fourteenth Street Canarsie Line as three tracks between Eighth Avenue and Broadway Junction? How might service be today?
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#474294 - 03/14/09 11:28 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Great Question. I would implement peak direction express service. The express stations might might be 5 stations apart like on the <6>.

<L> Canarsie Express, Weekday rush hour service only peak direction.


Edited by BX41LTD (03/14/09 11:36 PM)
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#474327 - 03/15/09 10:50 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: BX41LTD]
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Yeh, the L would probably run like the 7 currently does.
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#474391 - 03/15/09 02:59 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: B35 via Church]
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^ Except more efficient, since there would be no bottlenecks. The terminals would be a problem though, since the only three-track terminal in the system (Main St.) is a disaster for turning trains.

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#474509 - 03/16/09 10:01 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R32_3348]
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^ Except more efficient, since there would be no bottlenecks. The terminals would be a problem though, since the only three-track terminal in the system (Main St.) is a disaster for turning trains.


How does PATH pull it off at 33rd and Hoboken (the three track terminal, that is)?

Depending on the L express stops, a peak direction express may not relieve much crowding. Reference our much discussed Culver Express topic. Many heavily used stations are simply skipped, thus negating the need, or will frankly, for an express. What stations would be express?
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#475077 - 03/20/09 03:34 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
What if the B.M.T. had built the Fourteenth Street Canarsie Line as three tracks between Eighth Avenue and "Broadway Junction"? How might service be today?
What letter might the peak direction express have today?
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#475079 - 03/20/09 06:40 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
^ Except more efficient, since there would be no bottlenecks. The terminals would be a problem though, since the only three-track terminal in the system (Main St.) is a disaster for turning trains.


How does PATH pull it off at 33rd and Hoboken (the three track terminal, that is)?

Depending on the L express stops, a peak direction express may not relieve much crowding. Reference our much discussed Culver Express topic. Many heavily used stations are simply skipped, thus negating the need, or will frankly, for an express. What stations would be express?


The express would no doubt relieve crowding. Have the <L> run peak express between Myrtle and Lorimer St and the (L) terminates at Myrtle Av

<L> Canarsie to 8 Av
(L) Myrtle Av to 8 Av

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#475136 - 03/20/09 01:50 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R160Etrain]
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thats a good idea <>to canarsie and local to bway junction
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#475260 - 03/20/09 09:06 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: Q89LCL]
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The diamond rollsigns are played out. Think of someting else

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#476292 - 03/29/09 04:58 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: 219]
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I would call the express the (K). The diamonds are so played out.
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#476344 - 03/29/09 08:58 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R160Ftrain]
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The term "played out" is played out...lol
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#476346 - 03/29/09 09:01 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: Forest Glen]
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lol... But it's true, the diamonds are no longer need to be use, that's like the 1970's and 80's when their where diamonds everywhere.
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#476421 - 03/30/09 12:34 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R160Ftrain]
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Diamonds are still used for the 6 and 7 expresses.

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#476425 - 03/30/09 12:40 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: Grand Concourse]
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Besides those two lines...
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#476437 - 03/30/09 01:01 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R160Ftrain]
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Well diamond 5, A, B, D, M's are all unnecessary since they only represented rush hour service. A few years ago the map added dashes to represent rush hour service. So for those lines, the diamonds were eliminated.


Edited by Grand Concourse (03/30/09 01:02 AM)

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#476460 - 03/30/09 10:37 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: 219]
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The diamond rollsigns are played out. Think of someting else


Tell the MTA that. They are using diamonds to demark peak direction express service. So the <L> fits the current standard.
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#476461 - 03/30/09 10:39 AM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R160Ftrain]
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lol... But it's true, the diamonds are no longer need to be use, that's like the 1970's and 80's when their where diamonds everywhere.


Actually double lettered lines were everywhere rather than diamonds. AA, CC, EE, LL, RR to name a few. Then you had the QB, a hybrid express/local service rush hours and now currently full time as the Q circle.
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#477135 - 04/04/09 04:05 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
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How does PATH pull it off at 33rd and Hoboken (the three track terminal, that is)
I don't know anything about PATH so I can't answer that. I'll look at a track map and get back to you.

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#477356 - 04/06/09 12:41 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: R32_3348]
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IIRC, in PATH's case, one track is for Journal Square, one for Hoboken and the third track is used for layups/emergencies at 33d Street. (Two services - Journal Square-33d Street and Hoboken-33d Street).
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#478603 - 04/17/09 06:35 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
What if the B.M.T. had built the Fourteenth Street Canarsie Line as three tracks between Eighth Avenue and Broadway Junction? How might service be today?


EE Broadway Local, what stations would you put as express stations?

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#478628 - 04/17/09 11:44 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: 219]
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The L would make all stops from Rockaway Parkway to Broadway Junction. Myrtle would be the next express stop followed by Lorimer and Bedford. After stopping at 1st Avenue the next stop would be Union Square.
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#478706 - 04/18/09 09:12 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: Forest Glen]
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I would put express stations at Rockaway Parkway, New Lots Avenue, Broadway Junction, Aberdeen Street, Lorimer Street and Bedford Avenue. It will make all stops along 14th Street.
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#478726 - 04/18/09 10:14 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: BX41LTD]
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Originally Posted By: BX41LTD
I would put express stations at Rockaway Parkway, New Lots Avenue, Broadway Junction, Aberdeen Street, Lorimer Street and Bedford Avenue. It will make all stops along 14th Street.

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#478755 - 04/18/09 11:17 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: 219]
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Aberdeen is probably the least used station on the L. Why would that be an express stop?
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#478803 - 04/19/09 06:02 PM Re: An (L) Line What If? [Re: Forest Glen]
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Ok rockaway,pky
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Myrtle-wykoff
Bedford st then all stops to 8th av. Exp.
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