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#468640 - 02/01/09 03:54 AM the 125 St Shuttle
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Unlike the 42 st shuttle, the 125 st shuttle would make four (4) stops like the franklin ave shuttle, this service would provide transfers to the 1 train on the west side to the 4/5/6 trains on the east side of manhattan.

shuttle stops would include the following

brodway - transfer to 1
St Nicholas Av - transfer to A/B/C/D
Lenox ave - transfer to 2/3
lexington ave - transfer to 4/5/6

* all transfers are made at 125 st stations

Does anyone agree or disagree with this idea?why or why not?
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#468646 - 02/01/09 09:27 AM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: forNameless3401]
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The cost to do this would be prohibitive (and the community would never agree to all the digging up of 125th St) and besides there is bus service along 125th St which accomplishes the same thing.
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#468687 - 02/01/09 03:31 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: Allan]
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I agree with it in terms of usefulness, but I don't think it'll ever manifest. Perhaps in the future, the Q may do that after coming up Second Avenue.

But alas, pipe dreams.
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#468711 - 02/01/09 05:28 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: RokuSix]
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The MTA has considered extending the Q across 125th St., so it might be feasible. It definitely is a good idea, since if you're coming from the Bronx you currently have to go down all the way to 42nd St. to get crosstown.

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#468736 - 02/01/09 09:29 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: R32_3348]
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Originally Posted By: R32_3348
The MTA has considered extending the Q across 125th St., so it might be feasible. It definitely is a good idea, since if you're coming from the Bronx you currently have to go down all the way to 42nd St. to get crosstown.


You forgot the transfer to the "N & R" lines at 59th/Lex that takes you crosstown too. And also using Metrocard to transfer to crosstown buses like the M86. Plus the M60 was recently expanded to run all night across most of 125th too.


Edited by TTCGiant1 (02/01/09 09:30 PM)

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#468738 - 02/01/09 10:05 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: TTCGiant1]
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It goes crosstown, but there's no connection to the CPW or IRT Broadway lines only to the Lexington lines. Only 42nd are there connections from the N/R.

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#468757 - 02/01/09 11:19 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: TTCGiant1]
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The crosstown buses are all slow and overcrowded.
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#468799 - 02/02/09 12:10 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: R32_3348]
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Actually Bronx riders do have east and west side access. The only ones who don't are the 1/6 riders.

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#468813 - 02/02/09 04:44 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: forNameless3401]
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I agree, But what about an M60 LIMITED bus.
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#468815 - 02/02/09 05:30 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: via101Av]
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very minimal people would ride that shuttle,

However lets do case by case


westside

1 train
people is not going to get off that high elevated station to transfer for a cross town train when

A. stay on their seat and make the transfers at the existing transfer stations 59th OR 168th.

Now the issue is the Lexington avenue connection if a person wanted to go to lets say 86th street well if you look at it comfort level would say ride the train til Times square and jump on the 7 or the S


A, B C, D

again no need if a person on the A wants the 4 most people north of 168th would take a bus across to the 4 train , or take the train to the D and north or simply.


2/3 lines is walking distance to the A/D etc. and a short hop to the 4/5/6 train

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#468850 - 02/02/09 11:54 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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A 125 street shuttle would make it easy to go from the 125 Street Metro-North station to Columbia or City College. Many professors live upstate and use Metro-North.
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#468860 - 02/03/09 11:33 AM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: Forest Glen]
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again....

You are not going to rip apart a major VISUALLY PEDESTRIAN strip with a slew of business's just to please professors. from my accords the school has been there for ever and the professors had not one complaint. plus they too don't mind taking the m60 from metro north.

have you seen the impact the SAS has on business's on 2nd avenue?? Imagine that same effect on 125th street you talking UPROAR.

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#468877 - 02/03/09 12:55 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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So how about closing 125th Street and putting in light rail or a guided busway?
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#468881 - 02/03/09 01:16 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: Forest Glen]
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again....

You are not going to rip apart a major VISUALLY PEDESTRIAN strip with a slew of business's just to please professors. from my accords the school has been there for ever and the professors had not one complaint. plus they too don't mind taking the m60 from metro north.

have you seen the impact the SAS has on business's on 2nd avenue?? Imagine that same effect on 125th street you talking UPROAR.

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#468883 - 02/03/09 01:17 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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my bad for the double post

lite rail works

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#468896 - 02/03/09 02:52 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: RokuSix]
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Originally Posted By: RokuSix
Perhaps in the future, the Q may do that after coming up Second Avenue.


That would have been my idea as well. Send the (Q) up Second Avenue and then across 125th Street.
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#469370 - 02/06/09 06:39 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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Originally Posted By: mta36
again....

You are not going to rip apart a major VISUALLY PEDESTRIAN strip with a slew of business's just to please professors. from my accords the school has been there for ever and the professors had not one complaint. plus they too don't mind taking the m60 from metro north.

have you seen the impact the SAS has on business's on 2nd avenue?? Imagine that same effect on 125th street you talking UPROAR.

Since the entire section of Phase II will be cut and cover construction, and there will be tail tracks underground at the 125th St. station, the underground portion can be mined at no disturbance to the people above.

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#469382 - 02/06/09 07:14 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: R32_3348]
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It wouldn't just be for the professors...that's one of many reasons.

No professor is tenured enough to warrant his own rail line.
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#469410 - 02/06/09 11:15 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: RokuSix]
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Originally Posted By: RokuSix
It wouldn't just be for the professors...that's one of many reasons. No professor is tenured enough to warrant his own rail line.
Agreeable.
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#469411 - 02/06/09 11:22 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: RokuSix]
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It's not just for the professors. In general, it's difficult to go from Upper Manhattan to the East Side. Once I had to travel from City College to Mount Sinai. The M101 crawled on 125 street. It took 45 minutes (I could almost walk as fast).
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#469625 - 02/08/09 07:48 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: RokuSix]
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Originally Posted By: RokuSix
It wouldn't just be for the professors...that's one of many reasons.

No professor is tenured enough to warrant his own rail line.


Very good point.
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#469646 - 02/08/09 08:26 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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Originally Posted By: mta36
my bad for the double post

lite rail works
What's the point of LRT's if it's just for 125th? Fine forget about the subway extension, which could still be looked at if the MTA wanted to extend the SAS westward from 125th-Lex by the way the line curves. How about a bus only lane in both directions and have some partitions?

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#469723 - 02/08/09 10:55 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: Forest Glen]
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It's not just for the professors. In general, it's difficult to go from Upper Manhattan to the East Side. Once I had to travel from City College to Mount Sinai. The M101 crawled on 125 street. It took 45 minutes (I could almost walk as fast).


drink an energy boost and walk.

people are not going to lose their business due to people not being able to utilize the transport mecca that exists. the traffic is there due to the fact that 125th is a observation strip, disturbing that strip is very shacky in harlem.

Use 145th street or even use 135th street for a cross town. matter of fact try digging a hole on 96th street and see what happens. haha

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#469733 - 02/08/09 11:15 PM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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ALL Honesty...


The plan would work extremly well IF it was'nt 125th street.

first off not being racist but the number of whites decrease on east side while the Balck demand for the upper west side is limited. while on the upper east side If the T was to terminate @ 125th after 96th street the line is dead. The area really needs a line so they are doing it. Bet ya better dollar thsoe 86th street folks is not traveling north.


Transfers ...

The most vital transfers would be from the IRT to the IND however tha tdemand is not highly talked about due to better transfers or better walking distance in Man.


1 train riders are like a conmmunity and would stay on the trian to 59th street if they really needed the IND .this is probally why the IRT 125th Broadway station is the least used on 125th

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#469736 - 02/09/09 12:19 AM Re: the 125 St Shuttle [Re: mta36]
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Well no one said the SAS had to go to Broadway, 8th Av/CPW would be enough. Plus 125th-Broadway is so high above the 'valley' it isn't very easy to get to in the first place and would be murder if the escelators didn't work.

So if not 125th are there other streets that would be better alternatives for a crosstown line? I mean 125th makes sense since all the lines stops on that street.
The main idea is to cut down the usage of the 7 and S lines at 42nd St by having a crosstown line way up at the very north of Manhattan so riders from say the A/C lines can get to the 4/5/6 lines without the need of a bus or unlimited card.


Edited by Grand Concourse (02/09/09 12:20 AM)

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