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#453556 - 10/29/08 10:07 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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#453557 - 10/29/08 10:15 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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Darn iworte a long post that was deleted anyway.

here is my options

55 service extended from Dyre sta via 233rd then Baychester south to Baychester Station servicing Edenwald and SPELLMAN AND SOUSA SCHOOLS as well as handeling the Virgin revenue from Baychester to Edenwald houses.

DADBO is probally saying so what that should be NYC issues.

True but even Bee-line has a route servicing a NYC housing complex and honestly I'm curious as to how much revenue the 52 gets from Boston secor. or is it political?

the revenue alone in a week would top the 54/ 53 service in two weeks (ching a ching DaDBO$$$$$)

Plus it give 5 train riders more options to catch a beeline bus just as the white plains and jerome lines have.

option two extend the 54 to the new mall and the Dyre avenue station. beleive it or not when the 2 current lines are running there are people waiting to go to Mt Vernon, it is the schedules of the lines that is issue. by having the 54 servicing both the Stations and the Malls(target mall as well) not only does it give Bx commuters a option to go to the pelham and mt vernon malls but it gives riders another option of not having to deal with the 42.

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#453706 - 10/30/08 03:15 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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What's the Virgin revenue?
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#453761 - 10/30/08 06:41 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: sebbieprops]
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Hey Seb,

Virgin revenue is areas that is populated etc. that has no direct source of transportation.


Baychester avenue from the train station to 233rd street has no direct transportation linking the two.

Bx30 serves boston road but is useless for a student going up the block or a edenwald residents.

so if there is a possibility of three bee line routes serving that vincity one could run down baychester

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#453821 - 10/31/08 12:22 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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No gonna run service in NYC to benefit local ridership.

However, I like the idea of hitting both shopping centers then looping down to Dyre Ave. station.

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#454261 - 11/03/08 12:12 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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New question. Are they're any lines that a more likely to become 24/7 then others? Besides the 20.

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#454264 - 11/03/08 12:31 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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 Originally Posted By: mta36
Hey Seb,

Virgin revenue is areas that is populated etc. that has no direct source of transportation.


Baychester avenue from the train station to 233rd street has no direct transportation linking the two.

Bx30 serves boston road but is useless for a student going up the block or a edenwald residents.

so if there is a possibility of three bee line routes serving that vincity one could run down baychester


I see. Thanks for explaining.
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#454296 - 11/03/08 01:09 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Kaheem]
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 Originally Posted By: Kaheem
New question. Are they're any lines that a more likely to become 24/7 then others? Besides the 20.


Only other coordior down in distant future i assume could have 24/7 is the Broadway coordior between Downtown Yonkers and 242md St/Van Corlandt prk station for BL 1-2-3.

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#454314 - 11/03/08 01:54 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: Kaheem]
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 Originally Posted By: Kaheem
New question. Are they're any lines that a more likely to become 24/7 then others? Besides the 20.

They right now planning study of Central Park Av Bus Rapid Transit planning the study of Central Park AV Bus Rapid Transit (similar to Bx12 Select Bus Service) which makes Bee-Line 21 LTD 7-day full days.

I learn from the meeting, if BRT BL21 will might run on Thanksgiving and Christmas.

BRT BL21 is still ongoing study.



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#454318 - 11/03/08 02:21 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: FamousNYLover]
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if 21 runs on Thanksgiving and Christmas, that would mean that 20 would also have to run on those days as well
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#454337 - 11/03/08 03:59 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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not really , they could make the 21 bee a quicker express otption instead of a drag local. Personally I don't see the revenue happening in westchester on thanksgiving, metro north yes for the parade MAYBE it might work with the bus

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#454339 - 11/03/08 04:16 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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21 will become brt which will be a quicker option
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#454471 - 11/04/08 12:00 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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 Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7
if 21 runs on Thanksgiving and Christmas, that would mean that 20 would also have to run on those days as well


Don't count on it.

Putting together cost estimates now.

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#454481 - 11/04/08 02:04 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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Here what Dadbo told me in PM about 24/7 bus serice on Bee Line.

"Before I answer the question, let me state very clearly, that there is absolutely no discussion nor are there plans to go 24/7 in the Near Future.

Having said that........should we ever consider 24/7 service provided we got funding for it, the following routes are the most likely (in no particular order other than numerical) with all having 1-2 hour headways':

1
2
4
5 alternating with the 6 on probably a 2 hour headway each
7 at least between Yonkers and Mt. Vernon
20
25
40
42
60 between Fordham and New Rochelle.

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#455040 - 11/08/08 12:59 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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Here what Dadbo told me in PM about 24/7 bus serice on Bee Line.

"Before I answer the question, let me state very clearly, that there is absolutely no discussion nor are there plans to go 24/7 in the Near Future.

Having said that........should we ever consider 24/7 service provided we got funding for it, the following routes are the most likely (in no particular order other than numerical) with all having 1-2 hour headways':

1
2
4
5 alternating with the 6 on probably a 2 hour headway each
7 at least between Yonkers and Mt. Vernon
20
25
40
42
60 between Fordham and New Rochelle.




The W55 should also be included in that list.
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#455066 - 11/08/08 01:43 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: sebbieprops]
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 Originally Posted By: sebbieprops
 Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local
Here what Dadbo told me in PM about 24/7 bus serice on Bee Line.

"Before I answer the question, let me state very clearly, that there is absolutely no discussion nor are there plans to go 24/7 in the Near Future.

Having said that........should we ever consider 24/7 service provided we got funding for it, the following routes are the most likely (in no particular order other than numerical) with all having 1-2 hour headways':

1
2
4
5 alternating with the 6 on probably a 2 hour headway each
7 at least between Yonkers and Mt. Vernon
20
25
40
42
60 between Fordham and New Rochelle.




The W55 should also be included in that list.


I hear you, but.....the #55 travels to Cross County Shopping Center. Not too many stores open at 2 AM.

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#455080 - 11/08/08 02:23 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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The W25 also travels to CCSC as well, but it serves other areas than just the shopping areas... just like the W55 serves other areas (Mt Vernon). The 55 could aalso be used to transfer to other routes late night at CCSC (like W25 assuming it would run in there). If not, the 55 could terminate somewhere nearby.

If the purpose is to serve subway stations 24/7 then the W45 could be added to that list as well, or at least extend service hours later in the evening (Mon-Fri 11pm, Sat 10pm, Sun 9pm)


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#455167 - 11/09/08 12:34 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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In defense of DADBO the #55 serves mostly dead areas. 24 hour service would be a waste. the #45 depends on the growth and demand of NEw rochelle being that most of it's areas are HIGH END neighborhoods. (pelham Manor is not hearing 24 -7 service.)

Another line that could be thrown into later hours is the 52 as it goes to the heart of MT Vernon this subway connector

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#455169 - 11/09/08 12:58 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: mta36]
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45 is New Rochelle and Pelham Bay (subway), forget Pelham Manor, passing through there with no stopping actually speeds up the ride, people who miss the last Metro North train will be using Bee Line buses late night. Also the 45 would be the only direct connection to the Lexington Avenue Line late nights (60 doesn't connect to 4 line, 5 is a shuttle late nights)

52 doesn't even run on Sunday, and stops running before the 55 does
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#455171 - 11/09/08 01:06 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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Interesting enough, ridership on the #45 has been increasing.

A couple of interesting things on the #45:

- We threw out Sunday service a year or so ago and it has been a
resounding sucess.

- The 7:05 AM weekday northbound from Pelham Bay is "lips on the
windows." Gonna be throwin a leader trip out there.

- Will probably be extending a PM trip that currently ends at
Pelham Rd. & Pelhamdale Ave. down to Pelham Bay.

Oh, and nobody boards the #45 in Pelham Manor. But did you know that we added a stop at Shore Rd. and City Island Ave. by the stables ?



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#455172 - 11/09/08 01:13 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: dadbo46]
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I have seen two stops (at least N/B) in Pelham Bay Park for a while now
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#455173 - 11/09/08 01:18 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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was the extra stop by request, like Bartow Pell Mansion?
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#455175 - 11/09/08 01:23 AM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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the 3:13 out of Eastchester will be the trip that will be extended to Pelham Bay right?
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#455220 - 11/09/08 03:01 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: TheGreatOne2k7]
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 Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7
The W25 also travels to CCSC as well, but it serves other areas than just the shopping areas... just like the W55 serves other areas (Mt Vernon). The 55 could aalso be used to transfer to other routes late night at CCSC (like W25 assuming it would run in there). If not, the 55 could terminate somewhere nearby.

If the purpose is to serve subway stations 24/7 then the W45 could be added to that list as well, or at least extend service hours later in the evening (Mon-Fri 11pm, Sat 10pm, Sun 9pm)

Although he W45 serves a subway it not enough riders to be a 24/7 canadiate.

If you thinking of connecting a Bee Line to a NYC subway lines when Metro North does not run opearte, there are two ideas.First is the easiest choice the #20 and other the other is the #40(parrels the Harlem line most of the route)along Post road.



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#455221 - 11/09/08 03:02 PM Re: The Bee Line Bus Route Thread [Re: SanDiegoMTS1]
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 Originally Posted By: TheGreatOne2k7
The W25 also travels to CCSC as well, but it serves other areas than just the shopping areas... just like the W55 serves other areas (Mt Vernon). The 55 could aalso be used to transfer to other routes late night at CCSC (like W25 assuming it would run in there). If not, the 55 could terminate somewhere nearby.


If the purpose is to serve subway stations 24/7 then the W45 could be added to that list as well, or at least extend service hours later in the evening (Mon-Fri 11pm, Sat 10pm, Sun 9pm)

Although he W45 serves a subway it not enough riders to be a 24/7 canadiate.

If you thinking of connecting a Bee Line to a NYC subway lines when Metro North does not run opearte, there are two ideas.First is the easiest choice the #20 and other the other is the #40(parrels the Harlem line most of the route)along Post road.

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