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#366827 - 04/11/07 05:10 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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Yeah, but most are totally off like 20xx-21xx-19xx. sets like that. I know they had pairs and even 6-car sets, but it seems they broke those up.
I guess if they are serious about sending R142's to the 7 and they bring the R62A's back then they would finally link them all into 5-car sets. I believe only one 5-car set won't be possible as a 19xx car was tossed in SI's fresh kills landfill i think.


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#366908 - 04/12/07 05:57 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Grand Concourse]
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That was 1909. It wasn't sent to Fresh Kills, up to Weeks Marine in SI for scrap and then barge over to NJ for final disposition.
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#366955 - 04/13/07 05:26 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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Thanks. Still odd though. So yeah basically 1906-10 [sans 1909] would basically be left over or even used for spares should any other car be beyond repair or such.


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#366988 - 04/13/07 07:18 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Grand Concourse]
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However 1431-38 (from the Union Square wreck) were converted into a full 5-car set though, leaving 1436 as an orphaned parts car.
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#367034 - 04/13/07 09:32 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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That's true, I wonder why they didn't just use 1436 over converting 1438 into a full width cab. Or then I guess 1438 was in better condition. Now as far as 1438 that gets my vote to be the car to represent the R62 for the TM. same goes for that R40M-42 pair from the Willy B accident.

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#367395 - 04/18/07 03:58 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Grand Concourse]
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1436 wasn't a cab car yet at the time of the Union Square wreck (1991). The R62s were still single cars and were only beginning to be converted into linked sets.
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#367451 - 04/19/07 02:46 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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Oic, if I'm not mistaken, where those 10 the last cars that had yet to be linked into 5-car units?

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#367468 - 04/19/07 04:54 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Grand Concourse]
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In August 1991 all 10 cars from 1431 to 1440 were in one train, but all single. They were intended to be the next train converted into linked sets, had the wreck not happened.
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#367507 - 04/20/07 04:37 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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Wow talk about coincidences.. Thanks for confirming that for me.

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#402854 - 01/24/08 08:57 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Allan]
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The Grand Central station on the shuttle is the original station which opened in 1904. If you notice that one platform is extra wide, that is because the old downtown express track is covered over. This occurred after shuttle service started in 1918. If you look out the right side of the train on track 1 (heading to Times Sq) or the left side of the train on track 3 (heading to Times Sq) you will see the roadbed for the downtown express track. The Times Square station on the original line was built as a local station. The platform marked "Track 3" is actually on the roadbed of the original downtown express track.

The Lexington Avenue line (from Grand Central northward) and the 7th Avenue line (from Times Square southward) were opened in 1918.

This map may help:

http://www.nycsubway.org/perl/caption.pl?/img/maps/irt_1906_railways_guide_54.gif


As already mentioned track 1 on the shuttle connects to the downtown local track on the 6. At the other end (Times Square) track 4 connects to the uptown local track on the 1. There is no connection between track 1 or track 4 on the shuttle.

This track map will illustrate that (around the middle of the page).

http://www.nycsubway.org/maps/track/bigmidtown.png


i was on the TS side of the shuttle last night and really wanted to know where the rest of Track 4 led to... i never noticed the 123 running that close to the S. glad i decided to check this out!
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#402913 - 01/25/08 02:19 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: etrain4train]
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And as you walk into the connecting tunnel toward the Lexington main line, if you look up, you will see the steelwork indicating the path of the original line. Most of it remains hidden behind the gate, which is how you would walk to the tower. That takes you onto the original roadbed of both tracks three and four. By the time you get to the tower, you can actually look uptown 6 train directly "in the face" just before they veer off for the ramp to the present day Grand Central station.
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#403012 - 01/25/08 07:29 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Relay]
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And as you walk into the connecting tunnel toward the Lexington main line, if you look up, you will see the steelwork indicating the path of the original line. Most of it remains hidden behind the gate, which is how you would walk to the tower. That takes you onto the original roadbed of both tracks three and four. By the time you get to the tower, you can actually look uptown 6 train directly "in the face" just before they veer off for the ramp to the present day Grand Central station.


How far along should i walk down the corridor to find this steelwork? i want to see this uptown 6. verbally guide me from the S platform.
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#403087 - 01/25/08 11:16 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: etrain4train]
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The steelwork in the corridor is readily visible. You have only to look up. But to actually walk through the roadbeds and see the 6 approaching you is an employee only area.
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#403106 - 01/26/08 12:20 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: etrain4train]
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When you get off the shuttle at Grand Central it's on the far right.
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#403717 - 01/28/08 11:31 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: etrain4train]
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 Originally Posted By: etrain4train
 Originally Posted By: Relay
And as you walk into the connecting tunnel toward the Lexington main line, if you look up, you will see the steelwork indicating the path of the original line. Most of it remains hidden behind the gate, which is how you would walk to the tower. That takes you onto the original roadbed of both tracks three and four. By the time you get to the tower, you can actually look uptown 6 train directly "in the face" just before they veer off for the ramp to the present day Grand Central station.


How far along should i walk down the corridor to find this steelwork? i want to see this uptown 6. verbally guide me from the S platform.


The original steel supports can be seen as you pass under the exit to GCT from the shuttle platforms.


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#403793 - 01/28/08 08:27 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Allan]
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As you leave the shuttle area heading toward the Lexington main line. If you stay to the far left of the corridor, the steel support work in the ceiling curves to the right indicating where track 4 made the turn toward the main line. You will not be able to walk the roadbed and see the 6 train as I described. Because that is an employee only area.
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#468901 - 02/03/09 02:57 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Relay]
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I think they show this in The Taking Of Pelham 123 and it is mentioned in the book by Mr. John Godey.#
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#476180 - 03/28/09 08:41 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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What if they kept the original IRT, having it run from east to west side? how would service be like?

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#476188 - 03/28/09 09:39 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East [Re: R160Etrain]
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What if they kept the original IRT, having it run from east to west side? how would service be like?


Unbelievably inconvenient for many people, I would guess.

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#476209 - 03/28/09 11:30 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R160Etrain]
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It would be slower since the trains would have to make a pretty sharp or about a 90 degree turn from 42nd to Park Av. Plus the East Side needed a line.

But I guess if the UES was connected to maybe Broadway there would be no direct East side only line as one would have to transfer at 42nd to continue to go further south on the east side.

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#476221 - 03/29/09 12:11 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Relay]
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From the shuttle platform you can see the Lex IRT
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#476225 - 03/29/09 12:35 AM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: Forest Glen]
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You can see the West side IRT from TS-42nd.
At GCT you can only see the connecting track to the Lexington Av local. You can't see the Lexington Av from the shuttle platform.

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#476372 - 03/29/09 09:31 PM Re: How Did The Original Subway Get From The East [Re: R160Etrain]
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What if they kept the original IRT, having it run from east to west side? how would service be like?
Possibly the B.M.T. would've built a Lexington Avenue line north from 60th Street reaching the Bronx and likely would've built Seventh Avenue, Seventh Avenue South and West Broadway.
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#476535 - 03/30/09 06:54 PM Re: How Did The Original Subway Get From The East [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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really how interesting.
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#492082 - 09/14/09 02:41 PM Re: How did the original subway get from the East to the West Side? [Re: R62A 2012]
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There will be no R62's going back to the east side unless there were no other choice. The equipment of choice over there is the R142 because of its advanced features that actually minimize typical door-holding delays.
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