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#27726 - 04/24/05 04:55 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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I agree, though maybe the M should run on Brighton - at least that way it would offer 4/5 riders an alternative ride to Atlantic Av and should get decent usage.
But they need to boost R service.

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#27727 - 04/24/05 05:15 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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The M should be extended to Brooklyn at all times-including weekends. No more shuttle service. Then M riders will have a one-seat ride into Manhattan.
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#27728 - 04/24/05 07:28 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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AS it stands..the M is a dog...just the way the MTA wants it..
its giving them a reason for running services at crappy levels...

think of it this way..
What the best way to ruin a service..if you don't REALLY want to run it?

REROUTE IT...to some place nobody wants to go...
then claim low ridership!
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#27729 - 04/24/05 08:38 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Just like the F on 63rd.
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#27730 - 04/24/05 10:45 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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#27731 - 04/24/05 10:51 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL:
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Originally posted by W Broadway Local:
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Instead of the M they should run the W to Brooklyn.
Running the "W" to Brooklyn would affect the rest of the Broadway line encase a delay happens in Brooklyn.
Don't you think though, the W can be done much more with, than a Broadway Shuttle?? It's what it is now...I can't see how it can be affected if something were to happen
Where did "SHUTTLE" come from. It serves quite a few areas and is a supplemental line like the "M".

Anyway, I could remember hearing the PA telling everyone to take the "W" line because the "R" was being delayed in Brooklyn. They encourage to take it to the "V" at 34th Street.

This happens often, and the "W" was there to take care the job.

Then I notice some of those "W's being put into service at Canal Street to fill the void.

This is what I'm talking about.

Boy was our train crowded, but at least it was there. And I'm sure you would be thankful for this service if you were waiting for the train and wanted to go to Queens.

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#27732 - 04/24/05 10:55 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by MikeGerald45:
Once the 57th Street station was linked to the 63rd Street tunnel, and that was linked to Queens Blvd -- an "uptown" terminal for J or M trains re-routed up the Sixth AVenue line was no longer possible. Why?

Just where would a J or M train rerouted up the Sixth Avenue line terminate at?

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For all of those who think that having the M train traveling to Bay Parkway is a "bad" idea, and favor the W train to Brooklyn instead. Just consider that the M train offers transfers to other lines (such as A,C,2,3,4,5) in Manhattan that R route similiarities do not offer. In addition, when "something" goes wrong on the Broadway line, M trains are still able to provide service.

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Exactly!
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#27733 - 04/26/05 01:10 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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The original idea..for the 6th ave/Broadway Brooklyn line was a route to Central Pk West and 168th st..NOT 57TH ST.

That route was never used..instead the B train was used and through routed to Coney Island via the WEST END.
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#27734 - 04/26/05 01:12 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Also..comparing the M SERVICE to the Present day F service through 63rd st..is like comparing apples to oranges.

Totally different lines serving totally different people.
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#27735 - 04/26/05 06:35 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by MikeGerald45:
Once the 57th Street station was linked to the 63rd Street tunnel, and that was linked to Queens Blvd -- an "uptown" terminal for J or M trains re-routed up the Sixth AVenue line was no longer possible. Why?

Just where would a J or M train rerouted up the Sixth Avenue line terminate at?

Mike
Simple. The V ends at 2nd Ave, one station after of Broadway-Lafayette. Broadway-Lafayette is the next station after Essex. How can they run a 6th AVe service from the Williamsburg bridge now that the 57th Street terminal is gone? Simple. The V is connected to the M, and the train runs from Metropolitan AVe to 71st St Forest Hills. It's a clean, simple combination.

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#27736 - 04/26/05 06:38 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by vengence:
AS it stands..the M is a dog...just the way the MTA wants it..
its giving them a reason for running services at crappy levels...

think of it this way..
What the best way to ruin a service..if you don't REALLY want to run it?

REROUTE IT...to some place nobody wants to go...
then claim low ridership!
Exactly! And the fact that they decided to terminate the M at Chambers instead of Broad middays. I mean really. Let's make the line even more attractive, by terminating it one station short of a major transfer hub at Fulton. Ridiculous.

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#27737 - 04/26/05 08:35 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by Fulton Street El:
Simple. The V ends at 2nd Ave, one station after of Broadway-Lafayette. Broadway-Lafayette is the next station after Essex. How can they run a 6th AVe service from the Williamsburg bridge now that the 57th Street terminal is gone? Simple. The V is connected to the M, and the train runs from Metropolitan AVe to 71st St Forest Hills. It's a clean, simple combination.
A service that makes too much sense. - I feel pity for the packed L line and the vacuous at times M.

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#27738 - 04/27/05 02:39 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by vengence:
Also..comparing the M SERVICE to the Present day F service through 63rd St..is like comparing apples to oranges.
Lets look at the facts. The MTA sent the F to an unpopular route to lower its ridership numbers and make it look like the V works. Ridership fell sharply. The M has low ridership because it goes through an unpopular route. It's the same thing. As a matter of fact I think you're just scared that for once we may actually agree on something.
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#27739 - 04/29/05 04:23 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by Fulton Street El:
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Originally posted by MikeGerald45:
Once the 57th Street station was linked to the 63rd Street tunnel, and that was linked to Queens Blvd -- an "uptown" terminal for J or M trains re-routed up the Sixth AVenue line was no longer possible. Why?

Just where would a J or M train rerouted up the Sixth Avenue line terminate at?

Mike
Simple. The V ends at 2nd Ave, one station after of Broadway-Lafayette. Broadway-Lafayette is the next station after Essex. How can they run a 6th AVe service from the Williamsburg bridge now that the 57th Street terminal is gone? Simple. The V is connected to the M, and the train runs from Metropolitan AVe to 71st St Forest Hills. It's a clean, simple combination.
I would prefer a J/V combination since you coming from the north to go back to the north again. And the "L" pretty much makes an "M" line to Midtown Manhattan redundant.

One thing that will be better would be to institute a special service from Broadway Junction that will serve as the new "V" line. It will be express.
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#27740 - 04/29/05 04:47 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by Grand Concourse:
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Originally posted by Fulton Street El:
Simple. The V ends at 2nd Ave, one station after of Broadway-Lafayette. Broadway-Lafayette is the next station after Essex. How can they run a 6th AVe service from the Williamsburg bridge now that the 57th Street terminal is gone? Simple. The V is connected to the M, and the train runs from Metropolitan AVe to 71st St Forest Hills. It's a clean, simple combination.
A service that makes too much sense. - I feel pity for the packed L line and the vacuous at times M.
The "L" is packed because that is where most people want to go, is to Midtown Manhattan.

The "L" is better than all the lines that it crosses because it connects to every single line, making it very convenient for everyone.

The "M" that you are proposing will not do much but replace the "V" line.

For rail fans it will be good, because it will utilize that connection b/t the IND and BMT southern division. But frankly, I don't think it is a good idea and I'm going to tell you why.

The "M" is forced to use only 8 60ft cars because of the limited station width on the eastern division. As a result, there will be limited capacity for people using it throughout Manhattan and Queens.

One example is the 53rd Street station at Lexington Avenue. That transfer is at the rear of the station for the Queens Bound line. The train would have to be situated towards the rear so that it can be easier to board the train. And since the cars would be smaller, the capacity for each car will be lower, meaning that people will not be given a better choice than the "E" line.

Right now the "E" can not take anymore passengers. It is filling the void for the missing "F" and it takes time for people to change their riding habits.

Besides, people need the "M" at South Brooklyn. Don't expect me to give up my comfortable ride so that this connection is utilized for your own satisfaction.

I'm sorry the "M" is made a shuttle. I know how you all must feel, but this expansion would have no effect on improved weekend service.

In short, the "L" is well situated that I don't think people are going to be stupid enough to stay on the "M" line.

Instead of creating a new line, the "L" should be expanded to include a set of express tracks underneath for express service. Many "L" stations are already setup as island platforms, so including an express service should be fairly easy. It could even include a short cut to speed the trip even further. But that needs to be study.

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#27741 - 04/29/05 11:10 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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The idea is not to replace the V, it's to combine 2 "underused" lines. Who said anything about removing Nassau service from 4th Av? - if you remembered I did state the Z would run there being a rush hour line. The V doesn't need all 600' it can get by w/480'. The cars freed up from the V-M could be given to the G so it can have service extended to Church Av.

Also why not the V-M at least ppl might actually stay on the M rather than get off for the L at Wycoff-Myrtle. Or change for the F at Delancy-Essex.

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#27742 - 04/29/05 06:45 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Even if the V and M were combined people would still be turned off because the M would have to loop through Broadway and the Willy B before getting back to 6th Avenue. The L is a more direct route.
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#27743 - 04/29/05 11:06 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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It's worth a try, though.
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#27744 - 04/30/05 01:17 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by W Broadway Local:
[QUOTE]Instead of creating a new line, the "L" should be expanded to include a set of express tracks underneath for express service. Many "L" stations are already setup as island platforms, so including an express service should be fairly easy. It could even include a short cut to speed the trip even further. But that needs to be study.

Chow
I see what your talking about and I agree, but the money would be better spent probably. From one end of the line to the other it's 35-39 minute long ride.

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#27745 - 04/30/05 02:59 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by L Train:
Even if the V and M were combined people would still be turned off because the M would have to loop through Broadway and the Willy B before getting back to 6th Avenue. The L is a more direct route.
But if you can keep M riders on the M rather than crowd onto the L - wouldn't you go for it?
It also would justify the V service as well.

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#27746 - 04/30/05 03:19 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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How do you know that a M rider going from Metropolitan Avenue to midtown would stay on the M (especially with the timers on the Willy B)? They could take the M to Wycoff, transfer to the L and take that to Union Square or 6th Avenue and take another train to midtown. People are already reluctant to stay on a local. A local with a circuitous route would be worse.
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#27747 - 04/30/05 03:35 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Concidering a one seat ride rather than 3 is one reason.
Concider this: M from Metropolitan or any part of the M b4 Myrtle Av on Broadway to 23rd on 6th Av. Back up/take to Wycoff-Myrtle for the L, then get off at 14th for the F.

V-M - take it all the way up to midtown and get off at 23rd = backup to the L. I thought you'd be more open minded for any changes to the V? This would not only boost the V [takes ppl to Brooklyn] but the M since riders from Broadway El has a direct ride to midtown than to crowd onto the F.

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#27748 - 04/30/05 03:47 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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This isn't the best idea but a circuitous route to midtown is still better than the M's current route.
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#27749 - 04/30/05 03:58 AM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Yes, see it would help both the V and M lines by giving riders of both sides a connection to the opposite boroughs - the V to Bk and the M to Midtown = very beneficial

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#27750 - 05/01/05 03:00 PM Re: No one takes the M Train
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Originally posted by Grand Concourse:
Concidering a one seat ride rather than 3 is one reason.
Concider this: M from Metropolitan or any part of the M b4 Myrtle Av on Broadway to 23rd on 6th Av. Back up/take to Wycoff-Myrtle for the L, then get off at 14th for the F.

V-M - take it all the way up to midtown and get off at 23rd = backup to the L. I thought you'd be more open minded for any changes to the V? This would not only boost the V [takes ppl to Brooklyn] but the M since riders from Broadway El has a direct ride to midtown than to crowd onto the F.
It would be better to extend the "V" to south Bklyn via the Culver than to combine the M/V routes.

What would be better would to probably create a special service from Broadway Junction and run it via 6th Avenue as a "V" replace. It would be a peak direction express and would give the Broadway EL some purpose.

But this Delancey connection isn't that bad, especially if the "V" was extended to south Bklyn.
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