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#93555 - 02/20/05 01:54 AM Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Does it help? Why would it be there if you can take the 7?
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#93556 - 02/20/05 02:55 AM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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It's there because the tracks were always there. And it's an important link between subway riders on the East and West Sides, and has VERY heavy ridership for a mere shuttle.

You think the (7) can handle that load all on its own? And who wants to stop at Fifth Avenue, anyway? Consider it the 42 Street Express. ^^
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#93557 - 02/20/05 08:52 AM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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It is needed for the rush hour and the tourists.
You have to go pretty deep for the 7 just to travel cross town.
Rush hour the shuttle is packed, the 7 could not handle the crowds.
Your idea takes effect late night when they shut down the shuttle.
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#93558 - 02/20/05 02:27 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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there should be a shuttle on 125th, since there's no other train that could take you crosstown. at least on 14th street you can take the L, so you dont really need a shuttle
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#93559 - 02/20/05 02:39 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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This thread brings back some bad memories... :rolleyes:
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#93560 - 02/20/05 02:52 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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what memories?
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#93561 - 02/20/05 03:24 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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The Shuttle does help out espectally when transfering from the West Side to the East Side or vice-versa.

The 7 line does one thing which the Shuttle can't do. That is being allowed to transfer to the IND 6th Avenue Line.

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#93562 - 02/20/05 04:31 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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I'm not pointing out anyone in particular but I wish people would stop basing ideas on what the map indicates and base them on actual ridership numbers.
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#93563 - 02/20/05 04:33 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by Bronx Thru Express:
what memories?
My first day on this board. I started a thread about this and it turned into a flame fest.

No hard feelings Grand Concourse, I hope! :p
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#93564 - 02/20/05 05:08 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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I didn't know the TSQ-GC Shuttle had that much ridership. I've only been on like 5 times, and there wasn't that much people on it.
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#93565 - 02/20/05 05:18 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by H & M:
I'm not pointing out anyone in particular but I wish people would stop basing ideas on what the map indicates and base them on actual ridership numbers.
if you mean my idea about 125th, it wasnt based on the map, just i wish it was there for personal use. and im guessing that mentioning 14th street is justified b/c all 3 stations on 14th are in the top 29 on the ridership list
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#93566 - 02/20/05 05:24 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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oh and by the way, on the ridership list, what does this mean?: "16. 74 St/Roosevelt Ave (7,E,F,G,R,V) 13,485,468 [25% of ridership]"
its the part in the brackets that i dont get
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#93567 - 02/20/05 06:21 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by (5) Brooklyn Express:
I didn't know the TSQ-GC Shuttle had that much ridership. I've only been on like 5 times, and there wasn't that much people on it.
During the rush hours (AM and PM) the shuttle is extremely crowded - all 3 trains.
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#93568 - 02/20/05 08:55 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by iPod Addict #1:
No hard feelings Grand Concourse, I hope! :p
Oh yeah, none taken, you've come a long way from that day ;\)
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Originally posted by Allan:
During the rush hours (AM and PM) the shuttle is extremely crowded - all 3 trains.
Yes, and like everyone said it is just a few feet below ground compared to the 7 being far below and during the rush hours for a quick connection and a 'speedy' travel I'm sure most would take the 42nd S over the 7. And being 2 stops there is no risk of train delays due to unknown variables like the 7 and its line from Flushing to GCT.

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#93569 - 02/20/05 09:01 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by Bronx Thru Express:
oh and by the way, on the ridership list, what does this mean?: "16. 74 St/Roosevelt Ave (7,E,F,G,R,V) 13,485,468 [25% of ridership]"
its the part in the brackets that i dont get
It seems to me that it means that 25% of all ridership (at least, those using Metrocards there) use this station and all the ones above it. So, the top 16 stations handle 25% of Metrocard entries.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.
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#93570 - 02/20/05 09:49 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by (5) Brooklyn Express:
I didn't know the TSQ-GC Shuttle had that much ridership. I've only been on like 5 times, and there wasn't that much people on it.
It probobly doesnt seem like that much, but the trains are really frequent.
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#93571 - 02/20/05 11:59 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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S shuttle service runs every 2-3 minutes peak and can be really packed. On weekends many tourists use it.
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#93572 - 02/21/05 04:05 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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The (7) is packed as it is already. Besides, the (7) has an extra stop in between.
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#93573 - 02/21/05 05:06 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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The only time when I see the Shuttle empty is during mid-day hours and on weekends.
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#93574 - 02/21/05 05:10 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by Allan:
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Originally posted by (5) Brooklyn Express:
I didn't know the TSQ-GC Shuttle had that much ridership. I've only been on like 5 times, and there wasn't that much people on it.
During the rush hours (AM and PM) the shuttle is extremely crowded - all 3 trains.
I never knew the 3rd train was in use. When I rode the Shuttle it was only 2 trains running.
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#93575 - 02/21/05 05:34 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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They do:

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#93576 - 02/21/05 05:47 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Thats the first time I seen that.
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#93577 - 02/21/05 05:53 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Originally posted by (5) Brooklyn Express:
Thats the first time I seen that.
If you wanna ride on Track 4, you'll have to do it during Rush Hours.

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#93578 - 02/21/05 06:01 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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Well it has it's own enterance since it is isolated from the other lines only the 'bridge' connects to the other lines thus making transfers inconvenient. And why 1 and 3 are used often.
I think I took that shot around 4pm the start of the rush hour mode.

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#93579 - 02/22/05 03:49 PM Re: Times Square-Grand Central Shuttle
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The M42 is useless...sits in the Times Square area sometimes for 10-15 minutes, the traffic above ground is just as ridiculous, so the shuttle is pretty useful...although at night, if you know the M42 schedule, its better than using the 7 :p
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