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#426444 - 06/14/08 08:07 AM W train
Rtrain25 Rtrain25 Tourist Registered: 06/13/08 Posts: 42 Loc: Brooklyn, NY	Hello to everyone..I am a begining subway enthuisist and wanted to say hello! I was wondering if someone could tell me what the point of the W train is? It seems redundant considering it only runs during the week and basicially makes R and N stops. Correct me if I'm wrong but along with the V isn't the W one of the only lines that has no stops of its own? So just what is the point of the W train?
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#426450 - 06/14/08 10:59 AM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
Jamal BK3 Jamal BK3 Bus Driver Registered: 06/22/05 Posts: 315 Loc: In the hinterlands of Brooklyn	Welcome to the boards. The W is considered a supplementary route. Its purpose is to supplement the N and R trains by providing extra service during the weekdays. Or simply put, to keep those lines from becoming too crowded by taking on some of their ridership. So for example if I'm coming from Astoria and my destination is a local stop on the Broadway Line, instead of taking the the N to the R, I can just get on the W and have a one seat ride to my destination. The reason it runs only on weekdays is because weekend ridership isn't high enough to warrant running it. And you're right, the W and V each stop at stations served by another route. Edited by Jamal BK3 (06/14/08 11:01 AM) _________________________ 145th Street/148th Street to Flatbush Avenue B'way/7th Avenue Express 1959-1960;1965-1983
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#426453 - 06/14/08 11:23 AM Re: W train [Re: Jamal BK3]
R32_3348 R32_3348 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 2023 Loc: Jackson Heights	If I'm not mistaken the (B) doesn't make any stops on its own either. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#426460 - 06/14/08 12:04 PM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: Rtrain25 Hello to everyone..I am a begining subway enthuisist and wanted to say hello! I was wondering if someone could tell me what the point of the W train is? It seems redundant considering it only runs during the week and basicially makes R and N stops. Correct me if I'm wrong but along with the V isn't the W one of the only lines that has no stops of its own? So just what is the point of the W train? Welcome Aboard Rtrain.
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#426474 - 06/14/08 01:32 PM Re: W train [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
RokuSix RokuSix NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 07/28/07 Posts: 2454 Loc: The Bronx!	There's a lot of lines that you just have to wonder "What's the point of that?" But when you skip a filled to the brim N or R to a roomy W, you start to understand those kind of things. _________________________ The Pelham Express at your service. ~_^ The Bronx is up.
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#426476 - 06/14/08 02:34 PM Re: W train [Re: RokuSix]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local MTA Executive Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 4708 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Also the (W) is the old (EE) with the difference that it starts at Ditmars Boulevard. The (W) pretty much runs normal hours too. _________________________ (T) (TT) (B) (D) (M) Via The West End. New Utrecht Ave. Is Cool!
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#426746 - 06/16/08 08:44 PM Re: W train [Re: EE Broadway Local]
Green_over_Green Green_over_Green Tourist Registered: 06/16/08 Posts: 7	Another way of looking at it is to realize that there is an imbalance in ridership between the southern and northern ends of the N line. If you doubled the frequency of N trains to accomodate the demand in Astoria you'd have a huge over supply in Brooklyn.
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#426759 - 06/16/08 09:19 PM Re: W train [Re: Green_over_Green]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Subway Duke Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 7656 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	Welcome, Rtrain25! _________________________ I do the Diamond. Literally.
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#426862 - 06/17/08 01:08 PM Re: W train [Re: sebbieprops]
Princelex Princelex Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/06/04 Posts: 1113 Loc: Co-Op City, Bronx NY	Welcome Rtrain25! The W does appear to seem useless but it really isn't. If for nothing else, it's a help for Broadway Local riders who need all the service they can get. _________________________ May U Live 2 see the Dawn - Prince
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#426866 - 06/17/08 01:19 PM Re: W train [Re: R32_3348]
Abba_12 Abba_12 Tourist Registered: 04/14/08 Posts: 29	Originally Posted By: R32_3348 If I'm not mistaken the (B) doesn't make any stops on its own either. Except the stops that the D dosen't stop at in the Bronx during Peak Rush Hour.
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#426880 - 06/17/08 01:58 PM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 16607 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	It is useless. The worst part is that Broadway is congested during rush hour. I wish they simply beefed up N and R service. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#426883 - 06/17/08 02:00 PM Re: W train [Re: Lex Express]
R32_3348 R32_3348 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 2023 Loc: Jackson Heights	Originally Posted By: Lex Express It is useless. The worst part is that Broadway is congested during rush hour. I wish they simply beefed up N and R service. Once SAS opens (don't hold your breath, were in a depression) the Q train will no longer terminate at 57th Street, allowing the N train to cross over to the express track north of 57th Street. This will get rid of congestion at Herald Square and ease operations on roadway. Then they can increase service on the NQRW. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#426951 - 06/18/08 12:33 AM Re: W train [Re: R32_3348]
marcmail marcmail Straphanger Registered: 02/13/06 Posts: 164 Loc: Elmhurst	Will this day ever come?
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#426976 - 06/18/08 12:46 PM Re: W train [Re: marcmail]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: marcmail Will this day ever come? when the SAS opens.
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#426978 - 06/18/08 12:58 PM Re: W train [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
R32_3348 R32_3348 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 2023 Loc: Jackson Heights	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local Originally Posted By: marcmail Will this day ever come? when the SAS opens. (In other words, no.) _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#426988 - 06/18/08 02:19 PM Re: W train [Re: R32_3348]
Brighton Line Brighton Line Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 02/16/01 Posts: 5501 Loc: Brooklyn,NY, US	The day will come, who's lifetime is another questions. _________________________ Brighton Line Still can't find the "Any Key" on my keyboard. I can't continue.
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#427107 - 06/19/08 01:49 PM Re: W train [Re: Brighton Line]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Subway Duke Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 7656 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	Originally Posted By: Brighton Line The day will come, who's lifetime is another questions. Very well said. _________________________ I do the Diamond. Literally.
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#427159 - 06/19/08 05:01 PM Re: W train [Re: Jamal BK3]
Rtrain25 Rtrain25 Tourist Registered: 06/13/08 Posts: 42 Loc: Brooklyn, NY	In todays Daily News there's yet another article regarding the budget shortfall and how they are considering either reducing service or raising fairs again. I can't imagine there would ever really be a drastic change but doesn't it make sense that a service like the W, which is purely suplementary would be the first to go?
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#427163 - 06/19/08 05:22 PM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 18061 Loc: Manhattan	Why would they get rid of the W? The R needs the W because it already shares tracks with the V in Queens and the M [rush hours] in Brooklyn. I don't see the MTA giving the R additional trains. Plus Astoria riders needs their direct to Lower Manhattan line as the N is staying an express over the Bridge.
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#427165 - 06/19/08 05:30 PM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local MTA Executive Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 4708 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Rtrain25; Today's announcement means that 1) the (W) stays 6am to 9-9:30pm; 2) the (R) stays as a Fourth Avenue shuttle late nights and 3) the (N) stays via the Montague Street Tunnel late nights. _________________________ (T) (TT) (B) (D) (M) Via The West End. New Utrecht Ave. Is Cool!
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#427203 - 06/19/08 08:48 PM Re: W train [Re: Grand Concourse]
Rtrain25 Rtrain25 Tourist Registered: 06/13/08 Posts: 42 Loc: Brooklyn, NY	thanks for clearing that up for me $\:\)$
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#427230 - 06/19/08 10:53 PM Re: W train [Re: Rtrain25]
marcmail marcmail Straphanger Registered: 02/13/06 Posts: 164 Loc: Elmhurst	Queens Blvd needs 24/7 R service!
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#427267 - 06/20/08 01:27 PM Re: W train [Re: marcmail]
Brighton Line Brighton Line Federal Transit Administration Rep. Registered: 02/16/01 Posts: 5501 Loc: Brooklyn,NY, US	I think the type of service cut they were looking at was late night service. Going from the 20 minutes headway late night to a 30 minute headway. _________________________ Brighton Line Still can't find the "Any Key" on my keyboard. I can't continue.
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#427276 - 06/20/08 06:52 PM Re: W train [Re: Brighton Line]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Unlike some people on here like Lex express, the "W" is needed weekdays. However i do feel that the service hours should end at appx. 8pm period. During weekday evenings appx. 815pm-Midnight the "N" should make all stops in Manhattan between Lex/59th St and Canal St then operate express via the bridge. Also slightly off topic, the "V" should also end service at around 8pm. That an easier 'budget cut' to start with. On other hand the "B" does need to run till 10-11pm as it much busier than either the "W" or "V" lines.
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#427322 - 06/21/08 12:11 AM Re: W train [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 16607 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	The W just seems like a superfluous and cumbersome line. It is essentially the N local. Prior to 2001 Astoria only had one line. If the R ran the way it's supposed to then you wouldn't need a W. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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