#427090 - 06/19/08 12:53 PM
Re: Might A (V) - (Z) Combination Be Good?
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shadyelstation
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Registered: 01/12/05
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Loc: The Bronx
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The only reasons I am against an M-V combo is because I have plans for the V line in terms of fantasy extensions.
The reason I am against the V-Z combo is that I ave extension plans for both lines. I am the same way, but the letters of the lines could always change. With and V/Z combo it just makes the route too long and goes in almost a complete circle. With an M/V combo, the line isn't as long, even though it is still almost in a literal circle. The thing is, even though the M/V route is roundabout, it's not meant for "terminal to terminal" riders. It functions like the current (V) while giving Metropolitan/B'way Bklyn riders one-seat Midtown access. What's more, since Qns Blvd - Midtown riders and Metropolitan - Midtown riders ride in opposite directions, IMO crowding won't be too big an issue, even with increased ridership.
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#427236 - 06/20/08 06:27 AM
Re: Might A (V) - (Z) Combination Be Good?
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Sam
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Registered: 03/05/01
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The thing is, even though the M/V route is roundabout, it's not meant for "terminal to terminal" riders. It functions like the current (V) while giving Metropolitan/B'way Bklyn riders one-seat Midtown access. What's more, since Qns Blvd - Midtown riders and Metropolitan - Midtown riders ride in opposite directions, IMO crowding won't be too big an issue, even with increased ridership. Well said. Exactly, the point of that combo is not for a person to ride the whole line from terminal to terminal, but to maximize use on both ends as middays: M ends at Chambers, V ends at 2nd Av. It is no wonder they are practically empty by the time they reach their terminals as the riders would take the J/4 or F respectively to continue further. Now having the combined route you allow M riders to go directly to Midtown without having to transfer to the L [M riders stays on M and not transfer at Myrtle-Wyckoff] or F [riders don't have to transfer at Delancy-Essex] and the V side would finally go to Brooklyn, which should make it at least more useful than everyone waiting for the F to show up. Final point by combining the lines you trim off some stations on each lines and the M running 8-car trains you then have to make the 'V's end' run 8-car 60' trains as well meaning a surplus of cars to give to say the G line. This is why such a plan should be looked into.
Very well said!
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#427640 - 06/22/08 04:28 PM
Re: Might A (V) - (Z) Combination Be Good?
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Sam
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No doubt midtown service on ANY of the Nassau St. lines would be a huge improvement over what we have now but I agree with most of the posters here: it would be best if that line were the (M) since it would help relieve crowding on the (L).
Of course, I don't think this is going to happen for the simple reason that Park Slopers want the (V) for themselves. When I brought up the idea at the Transit Riders' Forum a few months ago that's basically what I was told. Never mind that they already have midtown access and giving them the (V) would only enhance their service, whereas combining the (M) and (V) would create a brand new and much needed service; they're Brooklyn, they have clout.
I wonder, though, if it would be possible to do BOTH. Run the (V) to Church Ave. and modify the (M) to run uptown along 6th Ave and then CPW, terminating at 145th St. Does anyone know if this is technically possible?
And assuming it is, how does one go about getting the MTA to implement the change in our lifetime?
It's theoretically possible; the switches are there. However, having M's cross over onto the express tracks would slow down service on the B and D. The M combined with the V offers the greatest benefit as you've already noted.
As for the MTA implementing service changes in our lifetime, fugettaboutit! I've been waiting since 1976 for the restoration of the Chrystie Connector service since the K was discontinued.
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#428272 - 06/26/08 09:17 PM
Re: Might A (V) - (Z) Combination Be Good?
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Eric B
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Registered: 07/28/01
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Oh, Great! So screw any chance of us having a terminal for midtown service (which they weren't thinking about anyway), as well as if the Bridge ever closes again. When the T starts running, both Q and dimond Q would all have to go to 96th/125th. (and are they going to cut the third track from there too?) All because of this budget crunch now. Once they do this, it will be final. It just causes more problems than it solvesWhat funds will this cut again. So people at the top can still get their raises?
Running alternate F's (even if you call them V) completely reduces the service at the local stops. With the current V as a separate line, (along with the G) there is much more service than alternating an existing line. They had proposed that once, and it still was shot down.
And merging the V with the M on weekdays is too much trouble. They should take whatever money they're saving by cutting this track out and extend all the platforms over here (which were all recently rebuilt), and then it would be feasible. Or connect the Chrystie tracks to the SAS. (Whenever it gets way down there; if they don;t go and cut the lower portion out altogehter, again).
If they can't even keep that track in the plan, then they're definitely not going to go through the trouble of running a foreign fleet of short trains out of Jamaica. (Can't be used on any other line out there; they're still hoping ridership on the V picks up, and if they did do it, people would commplain about the reduced capacity even if they weren't filling it's capacity. On a suggestion I recently sent in for the M-V combo on weekends only; I fixed it so that the line could run completely out of ENY. On weekdays, it would need to run out of both ends).
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