#428102 - 06/25/08 04:55 PM
Re: Imbalance on the Manhattan Bridge (R160s vs R68s)
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Eric B
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If the Bway side of bridge is closed, NQR might run loc between dekalb and canal. Q would probably run exp between canal - 57St. N/R stay loc in Manhattan, W suspended.
It's an interesting question of what they would do if Bway side closes again. If the 6th Ave. side closes, they could just go back to the last pattern and basically merge the D back with the W. (Perhaps keep that in the tunnel, and the N on the bridge).
But there was one important change on the 6th Ave. side while the bridge was closed on that side, and that was the 63rd St. connection.
So they only thing I could see them do is merge the Q and the V. That was basicallyt he old plan when the Bway side was closed all those years, and the Q seemed fixed to 6th Ave. for good. The difference would be that the Q/V would have to be on 63rd, while the F goes back to 53rd. Otherwise, you would have to cross them over each other. The Q is full time now, so perhaps it would go to Continental all times. (and hence fulfill the plan to run the R 24 hours, as well as replace the G on weekends). O maybe they would cut it off at 21st off hours. But this would be temporary, and may create a demand for the service to remain (then maybe the V or R would run longer).
Then, you have the issue of what happens if the V were extended to Brooklyn (or merged with the J or M, which I see as very unlikely for weekdays). Unless the extended V were curtailed, they might have to run both the F, Q and V together, with the F and V the same, but the Q merging from the express at 47/50, and then with the R and V at 36th. They did consider the three locals with the G before the final 63rd St plan went into effect, and ruled it out, but unline the G, which they see as a less important line (to theutter dismay of its riders), the Q is a major Manhattan-Brooklyn line and would need to run somewhere, and this would be an emergency anyway. Besides, when they run more lines on the same track like that, they slightly increase the headway of each line to fit. As for the terminal, they might run it all the way to 179 (which was basically the old Manhattan Bridge Alternatives plans with the Q going through to Queens whether the bridge was fully open, northside only open, or any pattern with DeKalb-Rutgers connection built.
Now, when 2nd Ave. opens up, 72nd St. will have a middle track, but it won't be free until the downtown track is completed when the line below 63rd opens, so it's way off. But the planners were thinking of it in terms of future Manhattan Bridge service change patterns when they said it would be used for the north side being closed, with the additional Bway service. So Probably the Q circle would continue going uptown, and the diamond would use the middle track. (I of course wish they would use it for K service to the Eastern Div.) But you could also access the 2nd Av line from 6th Ave. by crossing over at Lex/63rd. So with south side closed, the Q would just merge with the F a 47th, but then merge back out at Lex, and then continue uptown.
Edited by Eric B (06/25/08 04:55 PM)
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