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#419093 - 04/25/08 07:39 PM Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike?
MotionBoy MotionBoy Straphanger Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 223 Loc: Wherever you think I am	Self-explantory. For me, it's the B8 bus, running between Bay Ridge, Fort Hamiltion, and Brownsville on 18, Foster Avenues, and Avenue D. As I recently discovered this past Wednesday, midday service is decent, as you can still see the bus you missed down in the distance when the next bus arrives. However, once the sun goes down, the TA or whomever runs the NYC buses seems to completely disregard B8 rides. Buses in the evening (8-9 PM or so) are often 5-10 mins late, accompanied by bunching. One Sunday evening we waited 20+ minutes for the B8, and it was tailgated by not one, but two buses, ala- the "Gap and Bunch". This also happened yesterday (Thursday, 7:00 PM or so). My dad said something that made me think, maybe the drivers were joking with their superviser instead of starting their run. Naturally, the standees on the late bus were really annoyed to see the second empty bus zoom by us while we picked up passengers at Flatbush/Foster/Bedford? And really, bus stops on both sides of Flatbush going to Bay Ridge? Delays anybody? _________________________ "This is, a Manhattan Bound (2) Express Train via The Lexingtion Avenue Line."
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#419095 - 04/25/08 07:43 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: MotionBoy]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	I'll just repost what I said on another forum: Quote: Worst: This is easy for me... It's The B82. A long drawn out route that got extended to coney island a while back... sure, canal av wasn't your "ideal" terminal, but that extension... who benefits from it? sure as hell not starrett city riders, not flatlands av riders (those that exist), cropsey av ridership is almost null... and hell, I'm even willing to say, not even coney island riders benefit from it.... worse, its headways for such a lengthy route, aren't good at all... where (and before) the B6 & the B82 splits off @ Ralph, ppl. bombard the B6 due to its high frequency, it's reliability, and... the fact it takes you to a subway quicker heading WB... side note: bring back the B5 (with some type of route variation) & the B50... b/c this B82 is horrid. _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#419127 - 04/25/08 11:01 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church I'll just repost what I said on another forum: Quote: Worst: This is easy for me... It's The B82. A long drawn out route that got extended to coney island a while back... sure, canal av wasn't your "ideal" terminal, but that extension... who benefits from it? sure as hell not starrett city riders, not flatlands av riders (those that exist), cropsey av ridership is almost null... and hell, I'm even willing to say, not even coney island riders benefit from it.... worse, its headways for such a lengthy route, aren't good at all... where (and before) the B6 & the B82 splits off @ Ralph, ppl. bombard the B6 due to its high frequency, it's reliability, and... the fact it takes you to a subway quicker heading WB... side note: bring back the B5 (with some type of route variation) & the B50... b/c this B82 is horrid. As i stated before the main reason why the B-82 was extended to Stillwell Terminal was for the opening of Home Depot and 24/7 access to/from Pathmark shopping center.
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#419189 - 04/26/08 10:23 AM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	I think it's more to it than that.... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#419190 - 04/26/08 10:45 AM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church I think it's more to it than that.... a)Besides the opening of Home Depot and providing access to the Pathmark shopping center these are the other reasons why the B-82 was extended. b)The NYC DOT banned/made illegal the left turn signal at Cropsey/Canal so the buses could safely terminate at Pathmark. c)Pathmark wanted to charge alot of money for their use of parking area where the X-28/38 terminate and thus reason that stop at Pathmark is only used weekdays. 4)Lack of bathroom facility for drivers at former Canal/Crospey terminal especially at night. I still propose(pardon long time RD members if i am repeating myself)for new members, the following to the B-82: Split it into '2' routes: 1)A new route between Linden/Elderts Lane and Coney Island Ave/kings Highway called the B-81. This new route would serving Gateway Mall and Spring Creek/Starret and be the Flatlands/Kings Highway 'limited' of the B-82. 2)Shortned the current route B-82 route to terminate between Rockaway Parkway and Stillwell Ave/Coney Island. Again you can't terminate the B-82 at Flatbush/KH because of the tons of dollar vans that are now along Flatbush Ave. Also more riders than you think ride between SW Brooklyn(ie Coney Island, Bensonhurst, etc) and SE Brooklyn(ie Canarise, East NY/Spring Creek, etc) and would scream if they lost bus service. Any reactions? Edited by R-7 SEPTA Local (04/26/08 10:45 AM)
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#419232 - 04/26/08 04:22 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
MotionBoy MotionBoy Straphanger Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 223 Loc: Wherever you think I am	Okay, so we all agree. We hate the B8, and the B82 should have two sections. _________________________ "This is, a Manhattan Bound (2) Express Train via The Lexingtion Avenue Line."
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#419249 - 04/26/08 05:46 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: MotionBoy]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	although I never stated it in this thread, I also cannot stand the B8... good lord does it crawl up, and even stalls on 18th av [double-parked trucks is a major cause of this], and crawls along av. D as well.. buses are almost always late... I avoid it whenever I can, and dread the day when I have to take it... oh, one of the reasons why they bunch, is b/c B8's are coming from 2 different SB terminals; the 95th st station & @ va hospital (the only good thing here is, buses that come in as B70's sometimes leave as B8's).... so by time buses reach some point b/w the N train & the F train along 18th av, you usually see 2 B8's right behind each other.... of course, the bunched buses start to distance at around CI av... if not there, then definitely @ nostrand... not uncommon to have a bus wait there for about 3 mins. or so to pull out of the stop (3 mins after everyone's boarded & got off, that is).... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#419252 - 04/26/08 06:34 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Quote: Also more riders than you think ride between SW Brooklyn (ie Coney Island, Bensonhurst, etc) and SE Brooklyn (ie Canarise, East NY/Spring Creek, etc) and would scream if they lost bus service. on the B6, yes... the B82 gets a good amt. of ridership b/w starrett city & the kings hwy station on the B/Q... it starts to die down a bit, but you'll still get your 15-20 riders, that are on the bus, from the b/q station to 86th st (which isn't bad)... after that, you're lucky if you see 5 ppl on a B82 [of course, this is barring game days (cyclones)...]... from 86th on down to CI-Stillwell av sta. via cropsey, that is a good mile & a half.... I'm tellin you bro, that area is not like you remember it back when you lived in CI... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#419261 - 04/26/08 10:23 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	So B-35 do you like my B-82 and B-81 proposal that splits the route in half? Other than Flatbush/KH which i know you want is there any location you would endorse for the area one time served by the B-5?
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#420007 - 05/03/08 12:24 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
Q113LTD Q113LTD Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 1810 Loc: Jamaica, NY	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church I'll just repost what I said on another forum: Worst: This is easy for me... It's The B82. A long drawn out route that got extended to coney island a while back... sure, canal av wasn't your "ideal" terminal, but that extension... who benefits from it? sure as hell not starrett city riders, not flatlands av riders (those that exist), cropsey av ridership is almost null... and hell, I'm even willing to say, not even coney island riders benefit from it.... worse, its headways for such a lengthy route, aren't good at all... where (and before) the B6 & the B82 splits off @ Ralph, ppl. bombard the B6 due to its high frequency, it's reliability, and... the fact it takes you to a subway quicker heading WB... side note: bring back the B5 (with some type of route variation) & the B50... b/c this B82 is horrid. Doesn't sound like a bad idea. The B5 could run from CI to RP and the B50 could run from KH (on the B/Q) to Gateway Mall. Are you gonna bring back the B40/78? LMFAO _________________________ Queens finest has arrived on straphangers
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#420023 - 05/03/08 04:35 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: Q113LTD]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: Q113LTD Doesn't sound like a bad idea. The B5 could run from CI to RP and the B50 could run from KH (on the B/Q) to Gateway Mall. Are you gonna bring back the B40/78? LMFAO haha... funny guy... but to answer ya question... the B47 isn't near as bad as the B82, so I wouldn't bring back the B40/B78... matter fact, B47's tend to come rather frequent @ KP (and @ woodhull hosp. as well)... any starrett city resident that needs B82 service will tell you that those buses do not come frequent @ all.... it's usually the B83 that arrives before the B82 does out there (heading out of starrett, I'm talkin about)... the B47 starts to slow up around the sutter av station heading towards woodhull... but still, your average run nonetheless... guess what I'm saying is... the old B40/B78 merger made a hell of a lot more sense than the B5/B50 merger... ridership along the B40 was tanking as the yrs. went on (for what reasons, I couldn't tell you)... the B78 was a solid route... so the solution there was to give some of those old B40 riders, better service... hence, the (current) B47.... ...as R7 stated, the main problem was w/ the B5 & the (part-time/ short-turn) B7 terminating @ kings hwy/flatbush... so the (easy) solution to that was to merge the B5/B50... the old B5 ended @ canal av (across from a pathmark)... for w/e reason, some genius(es) thought it would be a grand idea to send it (the B82) to stillwell... not taking into consideration most the ridership along cropsey belongs to the x28/x38... those riders didn't (and still don't, IMO) need local bus service... to be fair though, ridership along the old B5 was fairly low, compared to most routes.. but still enough to justify its existence... the B50 was also a solid route... the B82 wasn't created to give B5 riders better service... that's why, IMO, the B47 > the B82. _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420027 - 05/03/08 05:13 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local So B-35 do you like my B-82 and B-81 proposal that splits the route in half? Other than Flatbush/KH which i know you want is there any location you would endorse for the area one time served by the B-5? lemme take the time out & read (and consider) ya proposal.. Quote: Split it into '2' routes: 1)A new route between Linden/Elderts Lane and Coney Island Ave/kings Highway called the B-81. This new route would serving Gateway Mall and Spring Creek/Starret and be the Flatlands/Kings Highway 'limited' of the B-82. I want to agree with this (although starrett city riders, I think, would really despise such an idea)... my question to you now is... where would LTD service begin/end at? 2)Shortned the current route B-82 route to terminate between Rockaway Parkway and Stillwell Ave/Coney Island. Again you can't terminate the B-82 at Flatbush/KH because of the tons of dollar vans that are now along Flatbush Ave. Also more riders than you think ride between SW Brooklyn(ie Coney Island, Bensonhurst, etc) and SE Brooklyn(ie Canarise, East NY/Spring Creek, etc) and would scream if they lost bus service. yeah... and guess what bro... you can't make the rockaway pkwy. station ['L'] a full time terminal either.. too congested w/ bus traffic in such a confined area; not much space for... anything to layover out there... this part of the proposal I don't agree with.. reply in red... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420029 - 05/03/08 05:22 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local So B-35 do you like my B-82 and B-81 proposal that splits the route in half? Other than Flatbush/KH which i know you want is there any location you would endorse for the area one time served by the B-5? lemme take the time out & read (and consider) ya proposal.. Quote: Split it into '2' routes: 1)A new route between Linden/Elderts Lane and Coney Island Ave/kings Highway called the B-81. This new route would serving Gateway Mall and Spring Creek/Starret and be the Flatlands/Kings Highway 'limited' of the B-82. I want to agree with this (although starrett city riders, I think, would really despise such an idea)... my question to you now is... where would LTD service begin/end at? 2)Shortned the current route B-82 route to terminate between Rockaway Parkway and Stillwell Ave/Coney Island. Again you can't terminate the B-82 at Flatbush/KH because of the tons of dollar vans that are now along Flatbush Ave. Also more riders than you think ride between SW Brooklyn(ie Coney Island, Bensonhurst, etc) and SE Brooklyn(ie Canarise, East NY/Spring Creek, etc) and would scream if they lost bus service. yeah... and guess what bro... you can't make the rockaway pkwy. station ['L'] a full time terminal either.. too congested w/ bus traffic in such a confined area; not much space for... anything to layover out there... this part of the proposal I don't agree with.. reply in red... Regarding a proposed B-81 limited stop service between Elderts Lane/Linden (via Gateway and Starret) Weekdays appx. 6am-9pm and Saturdays 8am-8pm All Stops to/from Flatlands/Penn Ave. Williams/Flatlands Rockaway Pwy station Resemen Ave/Flatlands East 82/83/Flatlands Ralph Ave/Flatlands Utica/Flatlands Flatbush/Kings Highway Nostrand/KH Bedford Ave/KH (medical center/Madison HS) Ocean Ave/KH Then all stops to/from East 16th St/KH station("B & Q" lines) Short turn(Local)B-81 start at existing B-82 eastern terminal at Penn/Seaview Aves. Edited by R-7 SEPTA Local (05/03/08 05:26 PM)
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#420030 - 05/03/08 05:25 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	So B-35 you never really answered my question when this topic has come up over past year? I only remember you suggesting bringing back almost the exact routing of old B-5 between Flatbush/KH and Stillwell/CI. You were not sure about the routing for old B-50 and it's terminal at either Gateway or just Starret? So bro what you propose knowing Flatbush/KH can never be a terminal again for the new split B-82 route for Stillwell buses? Edited by R-7 SEPTA Local (05/03/08 05:25 PM)
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#420032 - 05/03/08 05:31 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church Originally Posted By: Q113LTD Doesn't sound like a bad idea. The B5 could run from CI to RP and the B50 could run from KH (on the B/Q) to Gateway Mall. Are you gonna bring back the B40/78? LMFAO haha... funny guy... but to answer ya question... the B47 isn't near as bad as the B82, so I wouldn't bring back the B40/B78... matter fact, B47's tend to come rather frequent @ KP (and @ woodhull hosp. as well)... any starrett city resident that needs B82 service will tell you that those buses do not come frequent @ all.... it's usually the B83 that arrives before the B82 does out there (heading out of starrett, I'm talkin about)... the B47 starts to slow up around the sutter av station heading towards woodhull... but still, your average run nonetheless... guess what I'm saying is... the old B40/B78 merger made a hell of a lot more sense than the B5/B50 merger... ridership along the B40 was tanking as the yrs. went on (for what reasons, I couldn't tell you)... the B78 was a solid route... so the solution there was to give some of those old B40 riders, better service... hence, the (current) B47.... ...as R7 stated, the main problem was w/ the B5 & the (part-time/ short-turn) B7 terminating @ kings hwy/flatbush... so the (easy) solution to that was to merge the B5/B50... the old B5 ended @ canal av (across from a pathmark)... for w/e reason, some genius(es) thought it would be a grand idea to send it (the B82) to stillwell... not taking into consideration most the ridership along cropsey belongs to the x28/x38... those riders didn't (and still don't, IMO) need local bus service... to be fair though, ridership along the old B5 was fairly low, compared to most routes.. but still enough to justify its existence... the B50 was also a solid route... the B82 wasn't created to give B5 riders better service... that's why, IMO, the B47 > the B82. Finally B-35 sorry to bug ya again w/ dumb question? When the B-40/78 was merged i think 7-8 years ago, why was the northbound terminal cut back to Flushing Ave/Woodhull Hosptial? Especially since most of the "J/M/Z" elvated station in Brooklyn/Queens are not ada/wheelchair accessible?
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#420036 - 05/03/08 06:09 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local So B-35 you never really answered my question when this topic has come up over past year? I only remember you suggesting bringing back almost the exact routing of old B-5 between Flatbush/KH and Stillwell/CI. You were not sure about the routing for old B-50 and it's terminal at either Gateway or just Starret? So bro what you propose knowing Flatbush/KH can never be a terminal again for the new split B-82 route for Stillwell buses? basically what you're asking me is... if I were to bring back the old B5, where would I terminate it... b/c I never mentioned the B50 going the Gateway.... I would keep the old B50 route exactly the same... terminate it over there where the "full" B7 route ends, over there on CI/Quentin... For starters, I wouldn't end the B5 @ Canal av, nor at Stillwell... it would terminate w/ the B6; ending right around Ulmer Park depot... yes, it would parallel the B6 around the shopping ctr. over on shore pwky... from UP, it run up cropsey av, to Bay Pkwy... then along Bay Pkwy, to Kings Hwy.... then along Kings Hwy, to Ocean av... basically parallelling the B100 to Flatbush av... down flatbush av to serve Kings plaza... ...BUT it wouldn't terminate (or stop) where the B2,9,41,46 does... instead, it would share the B3 stop... and run along Av. U to Mill av... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420037 - 05/03/08 06:15 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local Finally B-35 sorry to bug ya again w/ dumb question? When the B-40/78 was merged i think 7-8 years ago, why was the northbound terminal cut back to Flushing Ave/Woodhull Hosptial? Especially since most of the "J/M/Z" elvated station in Brooklyn/Queens are not ada/wheelchair accessible? there's already a Williamsburg bridge plaza-Kings Plaza route... it's called the B46. the B47 didn't have to serve the length of Broadway w/ the B46 holding fort, so to speak... plus Woodhull hospital was really the only other place around B'way to terminate the merged route.... basically what I'm saying is... what you're asking about, in regards to ADA accessible stations... wasn't an issue. _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420040 - 05/03/08 06:50 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local So B-35 you never really answered my question when this topic has come up over past year? I only remember you suggesting bringing back almost the exact routing of old B-5 between Flatbush/KH and Stillwell/CI. You were not sure about the routing for old B-50 and it's terminal at either Gateway or just Starret? So bro what you propose knowing Flatbush/KH can never be a terminal again for the new split B-82 route for Stillwell buses? basically what you're asking me is... if I were to bring back the old B5, where would I terminate it... b/c I never mentioned the B50 going the Gateway.... I would keep the old B50 route exactly the same... terminate it over there where the "full" B7 route ends, over there on CI/Quentin... For starters, I wouldn't end the B5 @ Canal av, nor at Stillwell... it would terminate w/ the B6; ending right around Ulmer Park depot... yes, it would parallel the B6 around the shopping ctr. over on shore pwky... from UP, it run up cropsey av, to Bay Pkwy... then along Bay Pkwy, to Kings Hwy.... then along Kings Hwy, to Ocean av... basically parallelling the B100 to Flatbush av... down flatbush av to serve Kings plaza... ...BUT it wouldn't terminate (or stop) where the B2,9,41,46 does... instead, it would share the B3 stop... and run along Av. U to Mill av... Intresting B-35. In reply to your suggestions here my take and sorry if i sound rude just being honest. First would not the restored B-5 be redduant of the B-2,B-3(to point) & B-100? Why not just terminate the restored B-5 at Ocean Ave/KH area? I always felt instead that the B-36 should be the 2nd route along Ave U extended to Mill Ave. Second many people living at or near Crospey particuarly those who live/work in several nursing homes in area between Bay Pwy and Stillwell would scream and apply political pressure about losing a direct bus to Pathmark/Home Depot? So would people in Coney Island too. Or under your master plan bro, the B-64 is rerouted to serve Pathmark/Home Depot? Just curious B-35?
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#420046 - 05/03/08 07:44 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: R-7 SEPTA Local Intresting B-35. In reply to your suggestions here my take and sorry if i sound rude just being honest. First would not the restored B-5 be redduant of the B-2,B-3(to point) & B-100? Why not just terminate the restored B-5 at Ocean Ave/KH area? I always felt instead that the B-36 should be the 2nd route along Ave U extended to Mill Ave. Second many people living at or near Crospey particuarly those who live/work in several nursing homes in area between Bay Pwy and Stillwell would scream and apply political pressure about losing a direct bus to Pathmark/Home Depot? So would people in Coney Island too. Or under your master plan bro, the B-64 is rerouted to serve Pathmark/Home Depot? Just curious B-35? well... just b/c a route shares a small portion of another route doesn't make it redundant... I wouldn't send the B5 inside Mill Basin (B100), or to Bergen Beach (B3)... It would be the most redundant to the B2... but the purpose of that route is to get riders to/from the subway, from/to Kings Plz.... the purpose of the restored B5 wouldn't be to facilitate Kings Plz. riders... it would just so happen to serve the mall along the way... big difference... Secondly, I would leave the B64 alone on the Coney Island end... Thirdly, can't terminate buses at that intersection binding/bounding Av P/Ocean Av/Kings Hwy... even if you could, that would be worse than what the old B5 did... you need some type of service to Flatbush av... at least... to allow for more/potential riders.... and... There are no major problems w/ the current B36; extending B36's to KP would be nothing more than a preference (btw, wouldn't that also be "redundant" along avenue U $;\)$ Fourthly... About Cropsey av... you do raise a point about the loss of service... I honestly think that's a negligible loss though; you continually seem to think that there's a lot of (local) ridership along Cropsey... express bus service to/from manhattan is what they raised the most fuss about.... these same people you're speaking of, didn't exactly push for local bus service to Stillwell... and since you mention political pressure... they should use it to threaten for more service on the B82... surely there's has to be a reason that so few B82's during the day serve the full route... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420047 - 05/03/08 07:53 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
APPLE2APPLE APPLE2APPLE Bus Driver Registered: 02/26/06 Posts: 319 Loc: BROOKLYN	what about extending the 2,or 31 to help the 82? just saying _________________________ MISTER DEE
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#420052 - 05/03/08 08:04 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: APPLE2APPLE]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	Originally Posted By: APPLE2APPLE what about extending the 2,or 31 to help the 82? just saying Help the B82 along where? the B82 doesn't need help from another route... the route should be either truncated, or split... that's the dilemma, bro. _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#420059 - 05/03/08 08:29 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: B35 via Church]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church Originally Posted By: APPLE2APPLE what about extending the 2,or 31 to help the 82? just saying Help the B82 along where? the B82 doesn't need help from another route... the route should be either truncated, or split... that's the dilemma, bro. I think Apple was suggesting extending either the B-2 or 31(i am not saying i agree with his idea)maybe to at least Bay Parkway/Caser's Bay area? I know someone from Committee for Better Transit made a similar suggestion too.
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#420070 - 05/03/08 09:12 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
Jamal BK3 Jamal BK3 Straphanger Registered: 06/22/05 Posts: 267 Loc: In the hinterlands of Brooklyn	I can't think of any bus that I completely dislike. But I'm not too pleased with service on the B20. The B83 isn't much better. _________________________ HH - Court Street Shuttle Court Street to Hoyt-Schemerhorn Streets
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#420071 - 05/03/08 09:44 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: Jamal BK3]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local TWU President Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 3994 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	What is wrong with the B83? Headways, Routing, Service Hours? _________________________ On A Clear Day, You Can See Forever......
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#420092 - 05/03/08 10:50 PM Re: Are There Any Brooklyn Bus Routes you Dislike? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	He's got a point... the B20 does come too few & far between... I don't know much about the route to say its headways are justified, or if it needs more service.... for the B83, it's a time/timing issue; its lateness (but it still arrives ahead of B82's... go figure)... for what reason, I guess Jamal, or other B83 riders will have to elaborate... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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