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#418275 - 04/20/08 05:22 PM An actual use for the (V)
MotionBoy MotionBoy Straphanger Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 223 Loc: Wherever you think I am	I'll give the (V) some actual service. It'll still remain on 53rd st, however, it'll run to Kings Highway. This way, the (F) will run to Coney Island and costumers at Neptune Ave, Avenue X, and Avenue U will have more sevice. In the AM rush, Manhattan trains run express b/w Kings Hway and Jay St. Brooklyn Trains run express between Jay and Church, and local afterwards. In the PM Rush, downtown trains run express entirely and local to Church for Queens Trains. I'll have 3 trains during rush hour run entirely local between Jamaica and Coney Island (via 53rd St) to give back 3 trains the (V) elimated from the (F). During Middays and Weekends, trains can run express and terminate at Church Ave. _________________________ "This is, a Manhattan Bound (2) Express Train via The Lexingtion Avenue Line."
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#418278 - 04/20/08 05:26 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: MotionBoy]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: MotionBoy I'll give the (V) some actual service. It'll still remain on 53rd st, however, it'll run to Kings Highway. This way, the (F) will run to Coney Island and costumers at Neptune Ave, Avenue X, and Avenue U will have more sevice. In the AM rush, Manhattan trains run express b/w Kings Hway and Jay St. Brooklyn Trains run express between Jay and Church, and local afterwards. In the PM Rush, downtown trains run express entirely and local to Church for Queens Trains. I'll have 3 trains during rush hour run entirely local between Jamaica and Coney Island (via 53rd St) to give back 3 trains the (V) elimated from the (F). During Middays and Weekends, trains can run express and terminate at Church Ave. Motionboy your proposal has already been made by many RD members here of extending the V to Church Ave/Kings Highway.
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#418287 - 04/20/08 05:35 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: MotionBoy]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 15779 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	I would not take a local from Jamaica to Manhattan. As for the Brooklyn idea, they're doing construction on the Gowanus Viaduct. That precludes any Brooklyn express service at least until the year 2012. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#418518 - 04/22/08 12:16 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Lex Express]
Ridgewoodian Ridgewoodian Tourist Registered: 02/17/08 Posts: 6 Loc: Ridgewood, QNS	What about combining the (V) and (M) trains, i.e running the (M) as it exists from Metropolitan Ave into Manhattan, through the Chrystie Street Connector, and then uptown along the (V) route. Even if this meant having to use the shorter Eastern Division trains it would provide much needed uptown service for residents of western/central Queens and eastern Brooklyn and wouldn't really negatively affect the riders in northern Queens, where the (V) remains unpopular. The (J) or (Z) could be extended into southern Brooklyn rush hours to replace the sporadic (M) service there if that was really thought to be necessary. This, to me, would seem a better use for the unloved (V) - better than sending it to already served parts of Brooklyn. _________________________ Destroy All Lines!
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#418546 - 04/22/08 10:14 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Ridgewoodian]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1587 Loc: Jackson Heights	Welcome to the boards ridgewoodian. The thing is that this has been heavily discussed on many forums, including this one here. It is very sensible yet the MTA already has community support to extend the (V) down the culver line (which is the most sensible variation of a culver express), which is what will happen. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#418607 - 04/22/08 05:47 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
Ridgewoodian Ridgewoodian Tourist Registered: 02/17/08 Posts: 6 Loc: Ridgewood, QNS	R32-3348: You're probably right. I went and spoke on this subject at the New York City Transit Riders' Council Annual President's Forum last week. The response was: 1) something needs to be done for the booming communities on the Brooklyn/Queens border, 2) there's not enough capacity to run a revived "K" service, 3) the Nassau Line trains are shorter than the 6th Ave trains (not that they couldn't actually run on 6th Ave, but the they'd be a little more crowded in northern Queens), and 4) Brooklyn wants the (V). Disheartening to say the least. I understand that those areas south of Prospect Park need express service - I've ridden those "slow boat to China" trains - but I think the Brooklyn/Queens need is even more pressing; after all, extending the (V) down to King's Highway would merely supplement existing service while combining the (V) and (M) would create a new, much needed service - one which would have the added benefit of reducing loads on several other services, including the (L), (F), (A), (4), (5), and (6). Ironic that the (V), a service so unloved by those it was designed to serve, is coveted by so many far flung neighborhoods. _________________________ Destroy All Lines!
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#418608 - 04/22/08 06:00 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Ridgewoodian]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Ditto from me. Welcome Ridgewoodian. Have fun on the boards. Since i been on this board for a few years now, the "V" train has been by far the most discussed and controversial transit issue since i joined. So just keep that in mind.
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#418618 - 04/22/08 06:21 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Lex Express]
ragazzapazza1024 ragazzapazza1024 Bus Dispatcher Registered: 01/30/06 Posts: 591 Loc: Queens/Bklyn border, but I pre...	Originally Posted By: Lex Express I would not take a local from Jamaica to Manhattan. As for the Brooklyn idea, they're doing construction on the Gowanus Viaduct. That precludes any Brooklyn express service at least until the year 2012. I've taken the V from Forest Hills to Manhattan and it's not as bad as you think. _________________________ Stupidity is not a handicap. Pay full fare! Red Sox fans are a dime a dozen. I am looking for the guy with the dimes. Go Yankees! I love you, Derek!
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#418659 - 04/22/08 11:52 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: ragazzapazza1024]
dstone dstone Straphanger Registered: 12/24/04 Posts: 102	Well, until the Culver Viaduct project is finished, why not sent the V into Brooklyn, local between Jay and Smith-9 Sts, express to Church, then peak express to Kings Hwy? That way, it will give some use to the (V) and Culver Residents can have express service.
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#418698 - 04/23/08 01:12 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: dstone]
NX Sea Beach Express NX Sea Beach Express Bus Driver Registered: 12/16/05 Posts: 446 Loc: Brooklyn	All the V does is delay F service, confuse and inconvenience everybody else. It is not frequent enough to be a viable service on its own. It's a secondary, secondary line, and has also interfered with G service $\:\)$ _________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 A B C D E F G J L M N Q R S V W Z
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#418731 - 04/23/08 06:01 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1587 Loc: Jackson Heights	Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express All the V does is delay F service, confuse and inconvenience everybody else. It is not frequent enough to be a viable service on its own. It's a secondary, secondary line, and has also interfered with G service $\:\)$ How's it delay F service? It's more consistent than the F anyway. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#418797 - 04/24/08 12:44 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 15779 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	Thanks to the MTA giving it preferential treatment. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#418838 - 04/24/08 11:05 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: ragazzapazza1024]
R32_3838 R32_3838 Bus Driver Registered: 08/10/07 Posts: 475 Loc: Jamaica Queens,NY	Originally Posted By: ragazzapazza1024 Originally Posted By: Lex Express I would not take a local from Jamaica to Manhattan. As for the Brooklyn idea, they're doing construction on the Gowanus Viaduct. That precludes any Brooklyn express service at least until the year 2012. I've taken the V from Forest Hills to Manhattan and it's not as bad as you think. Point Blank!!!! The V SUCKS I don't care what nobody says the V should be scrapped for good!!!! The V is never going to run on culver its just a JOKE !!!! _________________________ R32 Phase II 1964-2008 R.I.P R62 and R62A on the (2) now!!! R32_3671 on sub chat
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#418851 - 04/24/08 12:54 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3838]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1587 Loc: Jackson Heights	Politicians and community support have been established for a culver Express, it's not a joke... _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#418864 - 04/24/08 02:28 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
NX Sea Beach Express NX Sea Beach Express Bus Driver Registered: 12/16/05 Posts: 446 Loc: Brooklyn	Originally Posted By: R32_3348 Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express All the V does is delay F service, confuse and inconvenience everybody else. It is not frequent enough to be a viable service on its own. It's a secondary, secondary line, and has also interfered with G service $\:\)$ How's it delay F service? It's more consistent than the F anyway. A jammed, packed F (as well as the others behind it) will be held at 2nd Ave. while an empty V is crossed in front of it is a good example. _________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 A B C D E F G J L M N Q R S V W Z
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#418881 - 04/24/08 05:52 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
R32_3838 R32_3838 Bus Driver Registered: 08/10/07 Posts: 475 Loc: Jamaica Queens,NY	Originally Posted By: R32_3348 Politicians and community support have been established for a culver Express, it's not a joke... I knew that they had a plan for a culver Express but they should use the F instead and make the G go local to coney island but the V should go, Even if the MTA did put the V on culver it would only help brooklyn and Manhattan,Not Queens. _________________________ R32 Phase II 1964-2008 R.I.P R62 and R62A on the (2) now!!! R32_3671 on sub chat
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#418886 - 04/24/08 06:14 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3838]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local TWU President Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 3997 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Maybe times have changed since this was tried. Back in 1968 the (GG) was extended to Church Avenue and the (F) ran express. Good idea but by 1976, enough passengers had complained about transferring at Bergen that the express was cancelled. This might work if the (V) ran local and at the (F)'s headways. It likely would work if the (F) stays local and either the (V) or (G) goes express. Edited by EE Broadway Local (04/24/08 06:20 PM) _________________________ On A Clear Day, You Can See Forever......
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#418998 - 04/25/08 11:01 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: EE Broadway Local]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1587 Loc: Jackson Heights	Thing is if the (G) ran express all it would do would be to shuttle passengers to the last stop in Brooklyn to transfer to the (F) since it doesn't run in Manhattan. Running the (F) local would maintain the same standard of service at the local stops, and the (V) express would be a bonus to the culver line so there would be nothing to complain about. As for Queens, people could advertise about the (V) since some people tend to stick to their commute even if there's a better solution not widely popular yet. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#419032 - 04/25/08 12:56 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
shadyelstation shadyelstation Bus Driver Registered: 01/12/05 Posts: 327 Loc: The Bronx	In addition to what you said, the (G) cannot run express, since the Crosstown tracks connect only to the local tracks north of Bergen St (the express tracks are already at a lower level at this point). _________________________ Proud Concourse (D) express rider $\:\)$
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#419060 - 04/25/08 03:24 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: shadyelstation]
Q113LTD Q113LTD Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 1810 Loc: Jamaica, NY	How's this for a use for the V? It operates between 21 St-Queensbridge and 2 Av? That way the G can go back on QB full-time and the F goes back to 53 St _________________________ Queens finest has arrived on straphangers
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#419063 - 04/25/08 03:38 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Q113LTD]
mohatesm7s mohatesm7s Tourist Registered: 12/28/07 Posts: 26	a use for the V is to make it run on weekends at least in shuttle service between queens plaza an forrest hills because i dont want to have to wait 20 minutes for a freakin R train when i go to queens center mall. _________________________ "Ding Dong...This is the train to Port Washington. The next stop is Great Neck"
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#419213 - 04/26/08 03:07 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Q113LTD]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1587 Loc: Jackson Heights	Originally Posted By: Q113LTD How's this for a use for the V? It operates between 21 St-Queensbridge and 2 Av? That way the G can go back on QB full-time and the F goes back to 53 St The whole point of the (V) was to divert the (F) from 53rd...and Queensbridge is a through station, which would delay (F) service if used as a terminal. _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#419233 - 04/26/08 04:24 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3348]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	Not to mention defeat the purpose of the 63rd Street tunnel being connected to the Queens Boulevard line. Why waste it for just a terminal espeically when it is also used in emergency reroutes for the E and R lines?
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#419234 - 04/26/08 04:27 PM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: R32_3838]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	Originally Posted By: R32_3838 Originally Posted By: R32_3348 Politicians and community support have been established for a culver Express, it's not a joke... I knew that they had a plan for a culver Express but they should use the F instead and make the G go local to coney island but the V should go, Even if the MTA did put the V on culver it would only help brooklyn and Manhattan,Not Queens. No, the G is a 4-car train, it won't be able to handle riders going down beyond Church Av. Plus its headways are terrible compared to the F. Plus Culver local riders wants a direct to Manhattan line which is why the G cannot be the only local and why they oppose having the F express and G local. They would rather have the F local so they can get to Manhattan with a one seat ride and consistant service. Yes, you can have the V as local as well, but that would run only weekdays and maybe rush hours only? That's not consistant service. If anything the F should be left as a local, but you can run the V express since for rush hours it would be better used and then middays it can terminate as it does at 2nd Av.
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#419333 - 04/27/08 12:46 AM Re: An actual use for the (V) [Re: Grand Concourse]
sebbieprops sebbieprops MTA Board Member Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 6650 Loc: Bronx NY 10459	Welcome, ridgewoodian! _________________________ I never thought Prospect was between Cypress and Brook!
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