I like to create a thread on any issues involving Brooklyn bus routes that is important to you here in 2008. Here some questions.

1)Guys do you like the extensions of the Q-59 to Williamsburg Plaza and the creation of the new proposed "B62" that would run between East Midtown and Greenpoint(Williamsburg Bridge Plaza)via QueensBorough Bridge?

2)The B-83 getting owl service between Gateway Mall/Starret City and Broadway Junction-East NY?

1)Why there no 'direct bus' between Coney Island area and Kings Plaza? Either an B-36 extension of new route would be great.

2)What to do with the B-24. Especially now that the B-62 is going to start very soon and be much faster going between Williamsburg and greenpoint.

3)Restructure the B-23 and B-16. The B-16 should travel the entire length of Ft Hamilton Pwy between 39th St and 86th St.
While the B-23 opearte via 13/14th Ave along same streets and is extended to the VA Hosptial and Nostrand/Church Aves.

4a)Reduce the weekend hours of X-27/28 to 1-hour headways and the last bus leaves Midtown/57th St at 9pm.

4b)Create 90 minute Sunday/Holiday headways on the BM-1, BM-2 and BM3(also extended to Kingsborough College)

5)Have a bus route along Cypress Ave to replace the old B-18 route and help realiablity on the B-13.

6)Limited stop service on the B-15 B-60 and B-82 during rush hours since those 2 mentioned lines already have 5.5-6 minute headways during peak hours on those long and busy lines.

7)Extend the B-60 to Spring Creek/Penn and Seaview Ave.

8)Extend limited stop on the B-6 **westbound* to 86th St/Bay Parkway.

8a)Extend 'short trip B-6's'(renamed B-6a) to opearte between Avenue I/McDonald and Canarise/Rockaway Parkway.

9)Create a new B-80 bus opearting between Nostrand/Flatbush and JFK Airport via Avenue H, Ralph, Flatlands, Brooklyn Developmental Center, East NY postal center on Stanley Ave, Linden, Conduit Ave then non-stop to JFK central airline Terminal 4.

10)A new B-96 rush hour bus route between Nostrand/Flatbush(brooklyn college)and Stillwell Ave-Coney Island. Opeartes as 'B-6 local' along Glenwood, Bedford, Ave J, Bay Parkway, Crospey and then to Stillwell/Surf in CI.


What you guys think?

B) A Kings Plaza express route (named X44)

Routing: Flatbush Av, Ditmas Av, Coney Island, Beverly Road, Prospect Expwy, Brooklyn-Battery Tunnel, BM1-4 routing in Manhattan

Here an new idea from me. Why not extend the B-64 to/from Shore Road/101th St?

Especially since after years of talk/rumors, i doubt a 'direct through 86th St' line between McDonald and 4th Ave will ever occur. The B-16 can terminate at 86th St/4th Ave.

yeh bro, as much as we talk about an 86th st route, it aint fin to happen... sooo...

I don't think the B16 should terminate over @ Shore road either... I'll agree w/ you on that... the B16 gets most of its riders in SW Brooklyn in between 86th/4th & 86th & ft. hamilton parkway.... so I'll enhance your idea a bit...

actually, I think the B16 should terminate w/ the B8 (no sense in truncating the 16 that much as you suggest)... from the 95th st station, it'd continue up 4th av, to 86th (where it'd make that right turn; the same one the current B64 does), and then continue its current routing...
(currently, there isn't an x-fer b/w the B8 & the B16)....

as for the B64, yes, that is a relatively short route that doesn't generate too many riders... so having that continue down 86th, en route to Shore rd, isn't too far-fetched at all...

Good idea(s) bro.

Thanks.

The B-64 is growing especially on weekends, finally after years of lower ridership on weekends(not as bad as the B-70, B-71 M-8, etc). When i moved from SW Brooklyn/Coney Is. area 5 years ago, weekdays ridership was good as most of riders where either school students or residents in Bay Ridge/Dyker Heights area transfering to/from the "R" at 86th/4th or the SI buses.(S-53 and S-79)Ridership on B-64 other than when CI asument park & the beaches was open usually 'tanked' on weekends/holidays at that time.

However Last Fall around mid-October on a saturday railfanning it was SRO at 5pm on B-64 between 4th Ave/86th and Bay Parkway. I was suprised as i guess a growing number of SW Brooklyn riders instead of using their cars/paying rip off gas prices & tolls to travel on Verrzano are using the B-64/S-53/S-79 instead.

Any replies B-35?

I agree that the B-16 should just terminate at the 95th St/4th station at the 'old' S-53 terminal. And the B-64 is extended to Shore Road/101 St (at 3rd Ave) Especially since the B-64 must do that dangerous left turn from WB(south)86th Street to SouthBound 5th Avenue.

On other hand i admit i dont ride it often, the only '3' Brooklyn NYCT Bus routes that are on 'life support' that needs badly some sort of merger/route restucturing are the B-23, B-70 and B-24.

I am sure assuming the MTA proposal to extend the B-71 to South Ferry goes into effect within 1 month of the line traveling to Lower Manhattan, ridership data on B-71 will double.

- The B24 I also agree... I don't know when that "round-robin" (lol) type of routing was initiated, but it isn't formidable (nor practical) in this day & age... this goes through some real *dead* areas, meaning, not much room for ridership to grow... worse, very few ppl. are xferring to B24's from Willy B' (from a bus or train) or from 33rd/QB (from the '7'); the two main arteries of the route....

Apple 2 apple do you want 20-30 minute or more waits on the B-41 limited? Especially if buses are delayed on the Manhattan Bridge? It would cause overcrowding and people flocking to 'gyspy vans' and thus would give reason for the TA to reduce 'limited' B-41.

Besides the B-51 is getting increased service by the Fall anyhow. If you wanted to merge the B-51 with a route why not something like a much shorter route like The B-65 or B-75?

Apple why you made this suggestion? After a while of asking 'excellent questions/suggestions' Apple is back to his old self is a former with making very unrealistic suggestions.

i knew it was a stupid idea i was just board

Here's a link to a blog regarding the B24.

The upper portion of the route(Greenpoint to Queens Blvd.) looks like it can be merged with the Q104. But the problems lays with what will replace the lower portion of the route. The Q39 and the 67 aren't good replacements for that section as far as I see.

That what i been calling for. A new route between Greenpoint(west St & Greenpoint)via Greenpoint Av./Roosevelt ending either at 73/74th Sts/Northern or LGA airport.

And then an extension of the Q-104 via Kosciuszko Bridge/Metro Ave branch ending at Williamsburg Plaza. Giving Williamsburg residents a direct bus to/from Astoria(Steinway St/Bway shopping area) and Sunnyside too.

I'm pretty sure you know that most bus routes here imitate former streetcar/subway routes, so that's one main reason why the B24 still exists.

I'm pretty sure when it was a streetcar route, it was jammed packed w/ riders as they went to work in their factories. It still caters to people who go to such factories along there, but

I don't think the current B24 has any use for potential ridership growth. It just wasn't meant to be. FYI, the B24 goes no where near the 33rd St. station, it's the 46th St. station.