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#408848 - 02/21/08 08:37 AM The (B) Train Thread
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local TWU President Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 3994 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	What are your thoughts on the new (B) train service until 11:00pm that will be beginning soon and on the planned service improvements in The Bronx (whether rush hours expansion or frequency of trains expansion)? _________________________ On A Clear Day, You Can See Forever......
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#408871 - 02/21/08 10:27 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8516 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	It's great. LOL. Seriously Paul, I feel that the "B" should be extended to bedford park till 11pm similar to the last few "W"'s trains going to Brooklyn for storage. In addition the "B" should also run to Bronx on all trips daily whenever a Yankee game or concert/event occurs at the stadium period. I still feel the B needs weekend service. As some people suggested running at least between 145th and Propsect Park might a good compromise.
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#408896 - 02/21/08 01:39 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1584 Loc: Jackson Heights	What are the planned service improvements for the B in the Bronx again? _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#408901 - 02/21/08 01:51 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: R32_3348]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8516 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: R32_3348 What are the planned service improvements for the B in the Bronx again? Unless it change in plan, i assume the MTA is expanding the service hours of the "B" line until 11pm weekdays to run only between 145th St and Brighton Beach when it starts in the summer. I never myself in the formal proposals online by the MTA that Bedford Park service hours would increase too. Edited by R-7 SEPTA Local (02/21/08 01:52 PM)
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#409251 - 02/23/08 02:06 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
Princelex Princelex Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/06/04 Posts: 1052 Loc: Co-op City, Bronx NY	It's very good news but what I want to know is will the D express hours be expanded to reflect the changes in B Train hours? It needs to be cause that will help EVERYONE in the Bronx if that happens. _________________________ May U Live 2 see the Dawn - Prince
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#409296 - 02/23/08 03:24 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Princelex]
Q113LTD Q113LTD Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 08/30/07 Posts: 1810 Loc: Jamaica, NY	I just think alternating B trains could go to Coney Island _________________________ Queens finest has arrived on straphangers
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#409298 - 02/23/08 03:57 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Q113LTD]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8516 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: Q113LTD I just think alternating B trains could go to Coney Island I already proposed it Q-113: Here why it may not work: I always wanted this thought but never asked this question. Why can't the "B" be allowed in 'revune service' aka pick up passengers between Stillwell and Brighton Beach on the first few trips in morning and the last few trips to Stillwell since it going to/from the Coney Island yards anyhow? This would be similar to the "W" train on the first few trips of the day and last few trips of the day being extended to the 86th St/Gravesend "N" line stop (ie 545am-7am & 9pm-last train) Anyone can tell me why this is not a good reason? From MikeGerald 2/2/08 I think that the reason has to do with "whose going to take the blame" if something goes wrong. I am guessing here, but here is my reasoning: Since the riders know that the B-train ends at Brighton Beach, and that the riders leave the train there, that train is ready to go to the yard at Coney Island or where-ever. Now that the train is empty of riders it can go into storage, the dispatchers can be flexible about where and when the train will be stored. If the B-train carried riders to/from Coney Island on the shoulders (early morning, late nights) of the rush hour periods - while it would be helpful to some riders - for the dispatchers its just another thing to deal with. One can imagine riders holding the doors at Brighton Beach to see if the train will take riders or not. Now since by definition the trains do not that does not happen. Of course there's the issue of whether conductors are on those trains or not. If the B-train were to handle riders between those stops there would HAVE TO BE a conductor on board. If the train is out of service headed to the yard, is there the same requirement for a conductor? I suppose that the difference with the W-train is distance from Whitehall to Coney Island, they just might as well keep riders on the train. The conductors are already on the trains, and it helps with R local service. The N-train and the W-train are "cousins" anyway when it comes to local or express stops. Again, I am guessing but those are my thoughts. Mike From Sal. It all has to do with the Conductors, as many have stated. On the W, The 3 yard put-ins have Conductors assigned to start in the yard. The crews finish at Astoria, btw. I am not sure about the PM crews tho. On the B, all the Conductors start and clear at Brighton Beach. Yes they could have Conductors start in the yard for the B put-ins, BUT, the TA would have to pay the extra time the Conductors were working. T/O's get extra time for the put-ins while the Conductors get straight 8. Simple answer is Money. Sal
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#409308 - 02/23/08 04:41 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: EE Broadway Local]
error46146 error46146 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 09/11/06 Posts: 2029 Loc: 11374	Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local What are your thoughts on the new (B) train service until 11:00pm that will be beginning soon and on the planned service improvements in The Bronx (whether rush hours expansion or frequency of trains expansion)? they should make the B 7 days a week, then i'll be happy _________________________ Stand clear of the closing post, please... [image]http://pictureny.org/logos/pny_logo.jpg[/image]
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#409341 - 02/23/08 07:08 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: error46146]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	No, 5 is enough. Weekends the Q is enough for Brighton service. CPW, either the C needs to be increased or the D runs local. There is no need to run another train.
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#409344 - 02/23/08 07:11 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Grand Concourse]
Princelex Princelex Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/06/04 Posts: 1052 Loc: Co-op City, Bronx NY	^Increase the C - yes Make the D local - no Otherwise, I agree with Grand Concourse, the B is cool for 5 days. _________________________ May U Live 2 see the Dawn - Prince
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#409345 - 02/23/08 07:12 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Princelex]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	For the C rather than for the extra trains run to Brooklyn where service isn't needed, have some C's turn back at Chambers-WTC on the E and return north to 168th.
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#409349 - 02/23/08 07:31 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Grand Concourse]
Princelex Princelex Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/06/04 Posts: 1052 Loc: Co-op City, Bronx NY	But wouldn't that be bad for customers in Brooklyn who need the C? _________________________ May U Live 2 see the Dawn - Prince
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#409352 - 02/23/08 08:16 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Princelex]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	They are extra C trains, they won't affect the amount of trains running to Brooklyn. Edited by Grand Concourse (02/23/08 08:16 PM)
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#409384 - 02/23/08 10:19 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Grand Concourse]
Princelex Princelex Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/06/04 Posts: 1052 Loc: Co-op City, Bronx NY	Then it's worth trying. _________________________ May U Live 2 see the Dawn - Prince
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#409479 - 02/24/08 09:40 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: Grand Concourse]
error46146 error46146 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 09/11/06 Posts: 2029 Loc: 11374	Originally Posted By: Grand Concourse No, 5 is enough. Weekends the Q is enough for Brighton service. CPW, either the C needs to be increased or the D runs local. There is no need to run another train. NO!! The brighton local is a horrible hell ride, the B is a nice fast express that everyone loves _________________________ Stand clear of the closing post, please... [image]http://pictureny.org/logos/pny_logo.jpg[/image]
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#409480 - 02/24/08 09:48 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: error46146]
(Q) Brighton Local (Q) Brighton Local Booth Worker Registered: 03/27/06 Posts: 703 Loc: <B>klyn	Originally Posted By: error46146 Originally Posted By: Grand Concourse No, 5 is enough. Weekends the Q is enough for Brighton service. CPW, either the C needs to be increased or the D runs local. There is no need to run another train. NO!! The brighton local is a horrible hell ride, the B is a nice fast express that everyone loves The (Q) Brighton Local ride is not a horrible hell hole at all. Ride the (F) From Stillwell to York, thats a long ride by ALL means. The Brighton Line is extremely busy 24/7; hence, weekend express service would process well, but it will never happen. Weekend (B) service between Harlem-145 St and Prospect Park is probably one of the smartest ideas that can be subjected into operation. But hey, at least the (B) is going to extend its hours of operation come this summer, which will definitely be utilized, every minute of it. _________________________ Who ya Gonna Call? GHOSTBUSTERS!
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#409489 - 02/24/08 01:00 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: (Q) Brighton Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	what is this kid error talking about now.... the ride along the brighton local is horrible? wow... out of the 4 lines that serve Stillwell, the brighton local is the fastest, most efficient, most reliable of them all... I'd say the slowest stint on the Q in south brooklyn is in between Stillwell & brighton beach... after that, you're good to go... you'd think the Q is horrid; but for the load that it does get along the brighton local, for it to have the quote-unquote "resume" that the line has as a whole, that's saying something.... * the F... man does it dragggg along the culver... and god help you if you miss a train; totally unreliable... * the N is no picnic either (but it's 2nd on this little list here); it doesn't get near as many riders from Stillwell to 59th, that's why it's run is fairly quick... I will say it's somewhat more reliable than the F... the D... omg, from stillwell, this takes FOREVER & a minute to get to 36th street... you would think the D is quite reliable, but... it just isn't... (it tends to come like wildfire in Manhattan though.. go figure)... all that, & I'm still willing to say this is also a tad-bit better than the F's run in South brooklyn... so yeah, the F brings up the rear when it comes to service out of Stillwell... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#409513 - 02/24/08 05:29 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: error46146]
R32_3348 R32_3348 Transportation Alternatives Organizer Registered: 03/25/07 Posts: 1584 Loc: Jackson Heights	Originally Posted By: error46146 NO!! The brighton local is a horrible hell ride, the B is a nice fast express that everyone loves Are the R68/A too reminiscent of the R46 to you? _________________________ Photobucket -R160B8713 on NYCTForums
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#409526 - 02/24/08 08:07 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: B35 via Church]
error46146 error46146 NYC Council Transportation Committee Chairperson Registered: 09/11/06 Posts: 2029 Loc: 11374	Originally Posted By: R32_3348 Are the R68/A too reminiscent of the R46 to you? no Originally Posted By: B35 via Church what is this kid error talking about now.... the ride along the brighton local is horrible? wow... out of the 4 lines that serve Stillwell, the brighton local is the fastest, most efficient, most reliable of them all... I'd say the slowest stint on the Q in south brooklyn is in between Stillwell & brighton beach... after that, you're good to go... you'd think the Q is horrid; but for the load that it does get along the brighton local, for it to have the quote-unquote "resume" that the line has as a whole, that's saying something.... * the F... man does it dragggg along the culver... and god help you if you miss a train; totally unreliable... * the N is no picnic either (but it's 2nd on this little list here); it doesn't get near as many riders from Stillwell to 59th, that's why it's run is fairly quick... I will say it's somewhat more reliable than the F... the D... omg, from stillwell, this takes FOREVER & a minute to get to 36th street... you would think the D is quite reliable, but... it just isn't... (it tends to come like wildfire in Manhattan though.. go figure)... all that, & I'm still willing to say this is also a tad-bit better than the F's run in South brooklyn... so yeah, the F brings up the rear when it comes to service out of Stillwell... the B, D and N are the fastest, the F and Q are the slowest _________________________ Stand clear of the closing post, please... [image]http://pictureny.org/logos/pny_logo.jpg[/image]
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#409535 - 02/24/08 09:32 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: error46146]
(Q) Brighton Local (Q) Brighton Local Booth Worker Registered: 03/27/06 Posts: 703 Loc: <B>klyn	Of course the B is fast. Its Express!!! The D Had much better headways when it was on the Brighton, The Q is fast man, take it from people ( like myself) who grew up on the Brighton Line, <not your 1 experience>. The F is , yes, in fact slow... The N is good, ,..not terrible, but good. Edited by (Q) Brighton Local (02/24/08 09:34 PM) _________________________ Who ya Gonna Call? GHOSTBUSTERS!
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#409554 - 02/24/08 10:10 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: (Q) Brighton Local]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4052 Loc: East Flatbush	^^ glad you came along & made that post, b/c I wasn't gonna reiterate myself replying to him again... ....dude continues to make these blanket statements based on the biases he has, and tries to pass them off as fact... that's the disturbing part about it.... _________________________ The B35... One route that Still does NOT need a limited !!!!
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#409581 - 02/24/08 11:20 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: B35 via Church]
(Q) Brighton Local (Q) Brighton Local Booth Worker Registered: 03/27/06 Posts: 703 Loc: <B>klyn	Originally Posted By: B35 via Church ^^ glad you came along & made that post, b/c I wasn't gonna reiterate myself replying to him again... ....dude continues to make these blanket statements based on the biases he has, and tries to pass them off as fact... that's the disturbing part about it.... no prob man. have to put your foot down when the time is right lol _________________________ Who ya Gonna Call? GHOSTBUSTERS!
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#409604 - 02/25/08 12:44 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: (Q) Brighton Local]
sebbieprops sebbieprops MTA Board Member Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 6650 Loc: Bronx NY 10459	The (B) should run from Bedford Park in the mornings from 6:00 to 10:00, and to Bedford Park in the afternoons/evenings from 2:00 to 11:00. _________________________ I never thought Prospect was between Cypress and Brook!
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#409678 - 02/25/08 01:18 PM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: sebbieprops]
NX Sea Beach Express NX Sea Beach Express Bus Driver Registered: 12/16/05 Posts: 446 Loc: Brooklyn	what is the proposed B service in the Bronx? The Brighton line is fine as is on the weekend, however I agree with the B running to at least 10 or 10:30 weekdays. Ending the B at prospect park seems to defeat the purpose of having a Brighton Express anyway. _________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 A B C D E F G J L M N Q R S V W Z
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#409846 - 02/27/08 12:11 AM Re: The (B) Train Thread [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
(Q) Brighton Local (Q) Brighton Local Booth Worker Registered: 03/27/06 Posts: 703 Loc: <B>klyn	Originally Posted By: NX Sea Beach Express what is the proposed B service in the Bronx? The Brighton line is fine as is on the weekend, however I agree with the B running to at least 10 or 10:30 weekdays. Ending the B at prospect park seems to defeat the purpose of having a Brighton Express anyway. I was discussing running the B on weekends between Harlem-145 St and prospect Park, on the weekend. Weekday B Service would not change; Concourse/CPW Local, 6 Av/Brighton Express. _________________________ Who ya Gonna Call? GHOSTBUSTERS!
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