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#403728 - 01/28/08 10:41 AM

Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street?

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#403733 - 01/28/08 11:34 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 16607 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	Service to south Brooklyn is needed (even though it doesn't seem that way). Ride it and see for yourself. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#403735 - 01/28/08 11:37 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Lex Express]
EPX2 EPX2 Straphanger Registered: 10/21/07 Posts: 101	As far as I'm concerned, there's no reason to decrease service along 4th Avenue/West End. Keep the status quo. Or turn the D into an express and have the M run local if you feel that the M needs more ridership to justify the extension, but service to Bay Parkway should not be ended. Edited by EPX2 (01/28/08 11:42 AM)
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#403739 - 01/28/08 11:48 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: EPX2]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 16607 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	A D express would anger many people who want to head to midtown. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#403740 - 01/28/08 11:48 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: EPX2]
EE Broadway Local EE Broadway Local MTA Executive Registered: 11/28/06 Posts: 4708 Loc: Ariz. by way of N.J. & N.Y.	Thanks for voting. _________________________ (T) (TT) (B) (D) (M) Via The West End. New Utrecht Ave. Is Cool!
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#403811 - 01/28/08 07:35 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: EPX2]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 18061 Loc: Manhattan	All that would do is force riders to take the M to 9th Av or 36th St and then transfer back to the D or the N. It only makes the M useful on West End, but doesn't solve the exodus from the M along 4th Av.
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#403946 - 01/29/08 01:02 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Grand Concourse]
sebbieprops sebbieprops Subway Duke Registered: 06/15/07 Posts: 7656 Loc: Morrisania, Bronx NY	I'd keep the (M) as it is currently set up. _________________________ I do the Diamond. Literally.
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#404099 - 01/29/08 05:44 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Lex Express]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: Lex Express Service to south Brooklyn is needed (even though it doesn't seem that way). Ride it and see for yourself. Agreed. The only change and only if the so called Fulton Street transit center 'opens' and these 2 conditions occur: 1)a free transfer between the Broadway Local line(the "R & W" lines) and the Nassau St line ("J/M/Z" lines)to replace the very confusing transfer connection at Canal St between the '2' lines. 2)The "W" is then extended to Bay Parkway to replace the "M" at least during rush hours if the first above item occurs.
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#404112 - 01/29/08 06:26 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
ragazzapazza1024 ragazzapazza1024 Bus Dispatcher Registered: 01/30/06 Posts: 614 Loc: Queens/Bklyn border, but I pre...	I think that the M is a slow train, but it's a nice ride to Bay Pkwy. I think the service should remain as is. _________________________ Stupidity is not a handicap. Pay full fare! Red Sox fans are a dime a dozen. I am looking for the guy with the dimes. Go Yankees! I love you, Derek!
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#404435 - 01/30/08 10:56 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: ragazzapazza1024]
B35 via Church B35 via Church MTA Executive Registered: 08/18/05 Posts: 4374 Loc: East Flatbush	Fantasy: Truncate the M to only serve Manhattan, (north) Brooklyn, and Queens... Reality: may as well leave the route alone... guess it's "useful" for the few hundred ppl. that ride it along 4th av & along the west end, daily... shrugs ...so I voted, "No, keep the (M)" Quote: Service to south Brooklyn is needed (even though it doesn't seem that way). Ride it and see for yourself. ...just like the F along 63rd, eh? $;\)$ _________________________ Labor Day is coming. That means someone will lose their life @ the Parade.
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#404728 - 02/01/08 01:01 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: B35 via Church]
Eric B Eric B Straphanger Registered: 07/28/01 Posts: 266	I would say keep it, but try to reduce it to peak direction only. On the Queens end of the line, we don't need trains coming all the way from Bensonhurst, which get lost behind delays on that end. It would be nice to have a train that starts in Manhattan during the PM hours, and then provide peak direction service for those going to the West End.
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#411266 - 03/06/08 08:20 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Eric B]
nyccommuter0212 nyccommuter0212 Tourist Registered: 12/16/07 Posts: 16 Loc: NYC	^^ what happens to the trains that terminate at bay pkwy they just go all the way back to broad st from bay pkwy?
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#411278 - 03/06/08 09:00 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: nyccommuter0212]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: nyccommuter0212 ^^ what happens to the trains that terminate at bay pkwy they just go all the way back to broad st from bay pkwy? The "M's which fleet is currently almost all r-40(m)(non slants)/R-42's are then stored at the Coney Island yards.
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#418235 - 04/20/08 04:08 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
7express 7express Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 09/17/07 Posts: 1071 Loc: new haven line	why does it terminate at chambers?? I don't think it can terminate at fulton, but why not terminate it @ broad to have all the connections at fulton?? i feel sorry for people who are comming from myrtle or marcy and have to go the west side. brutal.
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#418240 - 04/20/08 04:43 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: 7express]
MotionBoy MotionBoy Bus Driver Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 335 Loc: M7 860 (Off peak Bk - LB)	I say terminate the (M) at Broad St Evenings, Late Nites,and Weekends. 4th avenue could use another local if the (R) really is that inconsistent. _________________________ Vote for LIRR to Lower Manahttan via GCT! Vote for (5) to Brooklyn 18/7/365 !
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#418245 - 04/20/08 04:54 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: MotionBoy]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local Gene Russianoff Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 9784 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Motionboy welcome aboard. The TA has already proposed this plan but it's on hold due to the current budget crisis. It still may occur by early in 2009 though if things improve.
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#419039 - 04/25/08 01:51 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
NX Sea Beach Express NX Sea Beach Express Bus Driver Registered: 12/16/05 Posts: 497 Loc: Brooklyn	The M should terminate at Broad St weekdays, non rush, until about 10 or so starting now and then on Saturday days after the Fulton St transit center opens. $\:\)$ _________________________ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 A B C D E F G J L M N Q R S V W Z
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#420716 - 05/07/08 10:10 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: NX Sea Beach Express]
B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL Lord of the Post Registered: 01/15/03 Posts: 12525 Loc: Somewhere within the 64 turns ...	Sheesh, I am counting the days til they let the M into Manhattan 24/7....would take a load off the J's on weekends, and avoids the real pain in the asst transfer at Myrtle Ave-Broadway
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#420843 - 05/08/08 01:45 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Eric B]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 16607 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	Originally Posted By: Eric B I would say keep it, but try to reduce it to peak direction only. On the Queens end of the line, we don't need trains coming all the way from Bensonhurst, which get lost behind delays on that end. It would be nice to have a train that starts in Manhattan during the PM hours, and then provide peak direction service for those going to the West End. Trains would still have to run light to Manhattan. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#421395 - 05/13/08 12:24 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Lex Express]
Eric B Eric B Straphanger Registered: 07/28/01 Posts: 266	That's what I'm trying to work out. Some trains could lay up during the day in the spare tracks along the Nassau line to stage the service, but that may not be enough. They could also go back to using 36th St (dropping out at 9th Ave.) but those would still suffer from any delays between 36th anc Court.
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#422780 - 05/22/08 02:35 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Eric B]
MikeGerald45 MikeGerald45 Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/23/03 Posts: 1102 Loc: Staten Island	There are times when to leave well enough alone. The rush hour version of the M-train (Metro Ave - Bay Parkway)has been shown to be useful to many riders, even though some transit fans question it. It provides a useful alternative to get to Manhattan from 4th Avenue, when the R-train is messed up, and provides an alternative route to Chinatown besides the D-train. In addition along 4th Avenue and the West End line - the M-train assists the R and D-trains in handling the ridership at the local stations. This is not the first time that some transit fan has proposed "cutting the M-train" and "extending the W-train". If one were to look at the transit options in a "historical" sense there has always been a Nassau Street to Dekalb Avenue train - whether that train was the QJ train, the M-train along Brighton, the RJ-train from 95th Street or the M-train along 4th Avenue - since the connection was built. The connection serves a purpose. Mike
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#422944 - 05/23/08 01:32 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: MikeGerald45]
B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL Lord of the Post Registered: 01/15/03 Posts: 12525 Loc: Somewhere within the 64 turns ...	Or during 9/11 service changes, the J and M were quick to be extended(M to Coney Island and J to 95th Street-Brooklyn)
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#423078 - 05/24/08 09:22 AM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: MikeGerald45]
Eric B Eric B Straphanger Registered: 07/28/01 Posts: 266	Originally Posted By: MikeGerald45 There are times when to leave well enough alone. The rush hour version of the M-train (Metro Ave - Bay Parkway)has been shown to be useful to many riders, even though some transit fans question it. It provides a useful alternative to get to Manhattan from 4th Avenue, when the R-train is messed up, and provides an alternative route to Chinatown besides the D-train. In addition along 4th Avenue and the West End line - the M-train assists the R and D-trains in handling the ridership at the local stations. This is not the first time that some transit fan has proposed "cutting the M-train" and "extending the W-train". If one were to look at the transit options in a "historical" sense there has always been a Nassau Street to Dekalb Avenue train - whether that train was the QJ train, the M-train along Brighton, the RJ-train from 95th Street or the M-train along 4th Avenue - since the connection was built. The connection serves a purpose. I didn't say to cut all the service; just the reverse peak service. That is not useful to anyone, not the people on that end, who didn't ride it as much, and especially not the people on the other end, whom those trains become the peak service for, when they get delayed out on the West and and 4th Ave. and then skip all the stops on Myrtle (aftera 20 minute wait!) So what I was speaking of was finding a way to have two way full time service from Mahnattan to Queens, and one way peak service from Manhattan to southern Brooklyn.
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#423154 - 05/25/08 05:15 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Eric B]
Sam Sam Booth Worker Registered: 03/05/01 Posts: 715 Loc: New City, NY USA	Originally Posted By: Eric B Originally Posted By: MikeGerald45 There are times when to leave well enough alone. The rush hour version of the M-train (Metro Ave - Bay Parkway)has been shown to be useful to many riders, even though some transit fans question it. It provides a useful alternative to get to Manhattan from 4th Avenue, when the R-train is messed up, and provides an alternative route to Chinatown besides the D-train. In addition along 4th Avenue and the West End line - the M-train assists the R and D-trains in handling the ridership at the local stations. This is not the first time that some transit fan has proposed "cutting the M-train" and "extending the W-train". If one were to look at the transit options in a "historical" sense there has always been a Nassau Street to Dekalb Avenue train - whether that train was the QJ train, the M-train along Brighton, the RJ-train from 95th Street or the M-train along 4th Avenue - since the connection was built. The connection serves a purpose. I didn't say to cut all the service; just the reverse peak service. That is not useful to anyone, not the people on that end, who didn't ride it as much, and especially not the people on the other end, whom those trains become the peak service for, when they get delayed out on the West and and 4th Ave. and then skip all the stops on Myrtle (aftera 20 minute wait!) So what I was speaking of was finding a way to have two way full time service from Mahnattan to Queens, and one way peak service from Manhattan to southern Brooklyn. That's not logical. For there to be continuous service, the line must complete its circuit, otherwise the peak direction would lose service as well. _________________________ Sam
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#423155 - 05/25/08 05:42 PM Re: Should The (M) Terminate At Broad Street? [Re: Sam]
MotionBoy MotionBoy Bus Driver Registered: 04/20/08 Posts: 335 Loc: M7 860 (Off peak Bk - LB)	Maybe the (D) and (M) should swap roles on 4th Ave (e.g. (D), all stops b/w 36th St and Dekalb) so that West End would still have the same service but 4th Ave local could more service. Of course, there'd be no exp from the 'End to Midtown, and the (M) would have to switch tracks b/w Atlantic-Pacific and Dekalb..... _________________________ Vote for LIRR to Lower Manahttan via GCT! Vote for (5) to Brooklyn 18/7/365 !
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