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#403491 - 01/27/08 10:52 AM R62A vs R142S
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As you all might know, MTA is planning to replace the R62A with R142S in order to have AOTC on the Flushing line. I personally like the R62A for its reliability, Westinghouse Propulsion, bucket seats, railfanwindow, 11 car operation, and the fact that it's built by Bombardier. Once the R142S comes in, everything would be gone. What do you all think?
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#403494 - 01/27/08 11:06 AM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R445377]
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I can't tell you how many times I've heard any number of versions of this. I suppose now that work is about to start on the Flushing line, we'll see what really happens.
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#403511 - 01/27/08 12:06 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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The R62A shouldn't go anyhow.
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#403512 - 01/27/08 12:09 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R445377]
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 Originally Posted By: R445377
As you all might know, MTA is planning to replace the R62A with R142S in order to have AOTC on the Flushing line. I personally like the R62A for its reliability, Westinghouse Propulsion, bucket seats, railfanwindow, 11 car operation, and the fact that it's built by Bombardier. Once the R142S comes in, everything would be gone. What do you all think?



AOTC?
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#403514 - 01/27/08 12:51 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R42 4811]
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He meant CBTC (Communications Based Train Control)
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#403550 - 01/27/08 04:14 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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I've said it in another thread: I think the R62/A will be the R32 of the next generation - a basically reliable car that the aficionados love and that outlasts some newer models.
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#403588 - 01/27/08 05:36 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Alon]
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 Originally Posted By: Alon
I've said it in another thread: I think the R62/A will be the R32 of the next generation - a basically reliable car that the aficionados love and that outlasts some newer models.


You may be right. Because the R-62/62A and R-68/68A are the last of the "back to basics" models. However, don't be surprised if, on the contrary, they end up being the cars with the shortest service life in NYCT history. I say that because NYCT, under pressure from USDOT is in a great hurry to get the ATS (Automatic Train Supervision) and CBTC (Communications Based Train Control) up and running. The date at which the entire system goes online working properly is doomsday for the R-62, 62A, 68, and 68A
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#403656 - 01/27/08 09:36 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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Yes but how long will it take for the entire system to become CBTC compatible? Knowing the MTA, it'll be at least 2020 before that can become a reality.
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#403734 - 01/28/08 11:35 AM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: 7 Express]
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The R62 and R68s are not going anywhere until 2030 atleast.
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#403741 - 01/28/08 11:49 AM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Alon]
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 Originally Posted By: Alon
I've said it in another thread: I think the R62/A will be the R32 of the next generation - a basically reliable car that the aficionados love and that outlasts some newer models.


When did the R32 become reliable?
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#403750 - 01/28/08 01:48 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Lex Express]
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They've been reliable since the Overhaul Program. Since then, the entire body is made of stainless steel and the propulsion system had been changed to a Westinghouse propulsion.
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#403761 - 01/28/08 02:11 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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 Originally Posted By: Relay
He meant CBTC (Communications Based Train Control)




Yea,i know.i just wanna know where he came up with AOTC.
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#403762 - 01/28/08 02:13 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R445377]
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 Originally Posted By: R445377
They've been reliable since the Overhaul Program. Since then, the entire body is made of stainless steel and the propulsion system had been changed to a Westinghouse propulsion.



They've had stainless steel bodies ever since they started service 42 years ago.
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#403770 - 01/28/08 02:54 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R445377]
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 Originally Posted By: R445377
They've been reliable since the Overhaul Program. Since then, the entire body is made of stainless steel and the propulsion system had been changed to a Westinghouse propulsion.
Actually they used Westinghouse Cam Propulsion prior to the GOH. They got General Electric SCM Propulsion systems when they were overhauled.
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#403773 - 01/28/08 03:14 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Lex Express]
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 Originally Posted By: Alon
I've said it in another thread: I think the R62/A will be the R32 of the next generation - a basically reliable car that the aficionados love and that outlasts some newer models.


When did the R32 become reliable?


It's reasonably reliable, in the sense that it's working after more than 40 years. It breaks down every 100,000 miles, but that means that if you take it twice a day for 10 miles, then you're going to see a breakdown once in 137 years.

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#403800 - 01/28/08 06:16 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Alon]
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Not only that, i heard the r32's got retrucked so they may end up outlastin the r46! however the GE r32's have already been scraped
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#403814 - 01/28/08 08:14 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Lex Express]
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I think the R32's are reliable. I don't know all the specs about the train but I do know that the ride is still just as good as when I remember riding them the first time on the E back in 90-91.

As for the debate of R62A's vs R142S's, ideally the R142S's are what the 7 needs. They have the electronic maps and the automated announcements which if any line needs it the most, it's the 7. With that said, I firmly believe that in the last 6 years, the R62A's have shined brightly on the 7 and they should not leave the 7 AT ALL. The ride is great on 62A's, especially the express ride, the trains have good A/C on them, and most importantly, they are one of the most reliable trains in the system. To me, if the MTA wanted to, they could make modifications to the R62A's that would make it work when it comes to CBTC, new seats and even things like electronic maps or something similar. It would cost time and money but so would moving the R142's. I say the 7 train needs to leave well enough alone and work to make the R62A's even more rider friendly. Besides, why rob Peter to pay Paul?
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#403815 - 01/28/08 08:25 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Princelex]
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Agreed PrinceLex. The R-62's and 68's imo, should have lcd on them. Guys rollsigns is so 20th century. Especially there almost always a 'go' on every NYC subway line, most weekends, the lcd signs are needed.
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#404097 - 01/29/08 05:37 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
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Agreed PrinceLex. The R-62's and 68's imo, should have lcd on them. Guys rollsigns is so 20th century. Especially there almost always a 'go' on every NYC subway line, most weekends, the lcd signs are needed.


Car Equipment department are either in the process of, or has just completed, outfitting a train of R-62A's with LCD signage for service on the 7. Keep an eye out for it.
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#404111 - 01/29/08 06:24 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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I haven't seen that set lately though...been a few weeks since I've spotted it.
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#404144 - 01/29/08 07:56 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: 7 Express]
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It has appeared in several photos online and has been running since last fall.
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#404194 - 01/29/08 10:10 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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Agreed PrinceLex. The R-62's and 68's imo, should have lcd on them. Guys rollsigns is so 20th century. Especially there almost always a 'go' on every NYC subway line, most weekends, the lcd signs are needed.


Car Equipment department are either in the process of, or has just completed, outfitting a train of R-62A's with LCD signage for service on the 7. Keep an eye out for it.

I heard about that and I am looking forward to seeing what that will look like. I really like the fact that the MTA or specifically the 7 train crew are trying to find ways to make the signage of trains work for passengers. First the Red LCD's on the Destination signs and now this. That's some good stuff.


Edited by Princelex (01/29/08 10:11 PM)
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#404294 - 01/30/08 04:01 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Princelex]
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I think the MTA should spend a lot of money on new cars JUST LIKE the R142, EXCEPT with an express button in the cabs so whenever someone jumps on the train at Queensboro Plaza, the conductor will press the button and "EXPRESS" will be shouted over the intercom, getting rid of any questions that ask whether the train is express or local.

Just kidding...

But on a more serious note the R142 are better off on the 7 than the other lines, even though the R62A are just fine.
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#404338 - 01/30/08 06:08 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: R62A 2012]
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 Originally Posted By: R62A 2012
It has appeared in several photos online and has been running since last fall.


Since last fall?!? I'm going to have to bark at my peeps for not keeping me informed.
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#409531 - 02/24/08 08:52 PM Re: R62A vs R142S [Re: Relay]
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let me just revive this thread to express something that i am surprised other people have not mentioned...

the bucket seats on the R62/A -SUCK-! the same seats are great on R44, R46 and R68 models, but the problem is that when you put 8 of them in a row, they are actually just a bit too small to fit the average person's shoulders within their boundaries. so it is always horribly cramped when all the seats are full. and i'm a relatively thin fellow - forget about it when someone on the fatter side decides to sit in your row.

you'll note the same length bench (or only slightly smaller, due to the larger door clearance) on R142 models are spaced to fit 7 people, which is perfectly comfortable.

seated on the 7, i don't even have enough space to reach into my pocket half the time. and the worst part is, you can't space yourself out for adequate leg/shoulder space either, because then you have that ridge poking your undercarriage (so to speak).

what i would love to see is for them to replace all R62/A benches with the flat type, but in reality i think that kind of expense/time commitment is probably not actually worth it for the MTA to perform.

mostly for this reason, i would love to see R142's on the 7 line. the other obvious benefit is the local/express confusion, but of course the new LED signs solve that one.

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