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#393735 - 12/19/07 08:15 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: EPX2]
MikeGerald45 MikeGerald45 Transport Workers Union Steward Registered: 07/23/03 Posts: 1087 Loc: Staten Island	If the proposed J-train ran only once every ten minutes even during the rush hours, and that's the only service the local stations recieve, then those J-trains will be very crowded. At the same time, those Z express trains would carry lighter loads of passengers. Now the stations along the current J/Z route handle about the same passenger loads, it is not a case where the eastern-most stations have a very large passenger load compared to the rest of the line, the loads are fairly distributed. Now the combination of the J and Z trains balance out the passenger loads between the trains. Mike
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#393792 - 12/19/07 09:32 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: MikeGerald45]
EPX2 EPX2 Straphanger Registered: 10/21/07 Posts: 84	Well, yeah, I was kinda anticipating that there'd have to be an increase in service for the J line in order to pick up those passengers skipped by the Z; I just didn't really want to say much about that since I admittedly don't know how much more service the Broadway portion of the Jamaica Line and the Nassau Street line can handle with three lines currently serving those areas (J, M, Z).
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#393861 - 12/20/07 09:36 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: MikeGerald45]
Lex Express Lex Express Lord of the Post Registered: 06/27/02 Posts: 15779 Loc: Springfield Gardens, Queens	Not necessarily. The busiest stops are Woodhaven, Crescent, and the stops along Broadway. Stops like Forest Parkway can survive with a train every 10 minutes. If done right the express can work. _________________________ "This stop is Silver Spring. Red Line to Glenmont. Next stop is Forest Glen".
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#393929 - 12/20/07 09:10 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Lex Express]
Alon Alon Subway Engineer Registered: 08/25/07 Posts: 2541 Loc: Morningside Heights	"Done right" means third-tracking the entire line.
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#394017 - 12/21/07 12:22 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Alon]
guypak guypak MTA Board Member Registered: 04/28/07 Posts: 6380 Loc: queens	Originally Posted By: Alon "Done right" means third-tracking the entire line. i really think that it will happen one day. At least starting within the next 10 years. _________________________ Using the MTA could be the best and worst part of your day. Frequent user of the Q46, E/F and QM1A.
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#394041 - 12/21/07 03:00 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: MikeGerald45]
W Broadway Local W Broadway Local "The Mole" Boring Machine Operator Registered: 07/22/04 Posts: 785 Loc: Astoria	A rerouted "M" train will do the trick. It will terminate at Bwy E. NY and provide the local service. Meanwhile a shuttle will be introduce from Myrtle Ave or Metropolitan Avenue. _________________________ W via Broadway (31st Street) Local Astoria or City Hall
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#394042 - 12/21/07 03:02 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: FamousNYLover]
W Broadway Local W Broadway Local "The Mole" Boring Machine Operator Registered: 07/22/04 Posts: 785 Loc: Astoria	It couldn't be any worse than waiting for the "R". But the "J" is really, really bad. _________________________ W via Broadway (31st Street) Local Astoria or City Hall
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#394043 - 12/21/07 03:06 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: EE Broadway Local]
W Broadway Local W Broadway Local "The Mole" Boring Machine Operator Registered: 07/22/04 Posts: 785 Loc: Astoria	Although I like this idea. The benefits are via Jamaica Avenue. If only a track can be built via Jamaica Avenue, the issue of crowding on the "E" line will be solved (somewhat?). _________________________ W via Broadway (31st Street) Local Astoria or City Hall
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#394044 - 12/21/07 03:26 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Grand Concourse]
W Broadway Local W Broadway Local "The Mole" Boring Machine Operator Registered: 07/22/04 Posts: 785 Loc: Astoria	I like this idea. I have dedicated many posts about introducing this idea. However, the biggest problem with introducing this idea is that the Metropolitan line reduces this possibility. Because of how it is arraigned, it greatly reduces the possibility of increasing service and reducing delays on the Jamaica Avenue Line. Evidently, this brings me into proposing a shuttle idea for the Metropolitan service and rerouting the "M" to Broadway Eastern Parkway. This simplifies things. I know a lot of people don't like this idea, because it effectively gets rid of the dangers of crossing trains in front of uptown traffic. But it is the only way to increase Jamaica Avenue service if it was to be build according to your proposal. _________________________ W via Broadway (31st Street) Local Astoria or City Hall
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#394045 - 12/21/07 03:38 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: EPX2]
W Broadway Local W Broadway Local "The Mole" Boring Machine Operator Registered: 07/22/04 Posts: 785 Loc: Astoria	I agree! A station at Cypress hill is necessary. To me, it isn't really about how many stops are skipped, it is about bypassing that curve. It is my belief that this alone will be a major benefit. Even if they decide not to have the express but instead replace the Fulton St. section with a Jamaica Avenue local service, it would be better than the current arraignment. _________________________ W via Broadway (31st Street) Local Astoria or City Hall
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#394050 - 12/21/07 06:44 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: W Broadway Local]
EPX2 EPX2 Straphanger Registered: 10/21/07 Posts: 84	Do you mean Crescent Street or Cypress Hills? Because I was kinda advocating having a stop at Crescent and possibly bypassing the Hills altogether. >_>
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#394347 - 12/23/07 03:38 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: EPX2]
ntails ntails Straphanger Registered: 02/18/06 Posts: 160 Loc: Bedford Park section	Or we should extend the J trains to Brighton Beach or to Coney Island via West End. Then we will have two Nassau Street trains and 6 Ave train _________________________ This is Bronx-bound E train. The next stop is 59 St/Columbus Circle. Stand clear for the closing doors please
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#394392 - 12/23/07 06:09 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: ntails]
Alon Alon Subway Engineer Registered: 08/25/07 Posts: 2541 Loc: Morningside Heights	And massive congestion in Montague Street Tunnel.
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#394393 - 12/23/07 06:19 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: ntails]
guypak guypak MTA Board Member Registered: 04/28/07 Posts: 6380 Loc: queens	Originally Posted By: ntails Or we should extend the J trains to Brighton Beach or to Coney Island via West End. Then we will have two Nassau Street trains and 6 Ave train that isn't necessary. _________________________ Using the MTA could be the best and worst part of your day. Frequent user of the Q46, E/F and QM1A.
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#394396 - 12/23/07 06:53 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: ntails]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	Why?
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#394721 - 12/24/07 12:46 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Grand Concourse]
ntails ntails Straphanger Registered: 02/18/06 Posts: 160 Loc: Bedford Park section	There Will be no massive congestion because the J train can go to Brighton Beach weekends or every summer so that way customers can go to the Beach faster. Edited by ntails (12/24/07 12:46 AM) _________________________ This is Bronx-bound E train. The next stop is 59 St/Columbus Circle. Stand clear for the closing doors please
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#394743 - 12/24/07 12:53 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: ntails]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	But there is more ridership from the 6th and Broadway lines over the Nassau line isn't there? It would be a waste to have two Nassau lines running when the demands for them are not needed as much. Only one is needed and only to Bay Parkway were riders can just take the D the rest of the way to CI or the N at 36th. Also what congetstion? One Nassau line [J/Z] terminates at Broad St on separate tracks while the other passes thru the station [M] there is no congestion there. Edited by Grand Concourse (12/24/07 01:02 AM)
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#394754 - 12/24/07 12:57 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: W Broadway Local]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	Originally Posted By: W Broadway Local I like this idea. I have dedicated many posts about introducing this idea. However, the biggest problem with introducing this idea is that the Metropolitan line reduces this possibility. Because of how it is arraigned, it greatly reduces the possibility of increasing service and reducing delays on the Jamaica Avenue Line. Evidently, this brings me into proposing a shuttle idea for the Metropolitan service and rerouting the "M" to Broadway Eastern Parkway. This simplifies things. I know a lot of people don't like this idea, because it effectively gets rid of the dangers of crossing trains in front of uptown traffic. But it is the only way to increase Jamaica Avenue service if it was to be build according to your proposal. All you are doing is reversing the direction of the M from Manhattan to ENY. How does that solve anything? It also doesn't help the L much by further forcing riders to abandon the M for the L, plus you are making M riders make another transfer for the J/Z to get to Manhattan. V-M combo works much better for the M and to help ease the demands on the L. The point I made to Mike was sarcasm about the M interfering with such express service from Broadway Junction to Myrtle.
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#394769 - 12/24/07 01:01 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: ntails]
R-7 SEPTA Local R-7 SEPTA Local New York State Governor Registered: 10/13/04 Posts: 8520 Loc: Hudson River Valley, NY, USA o...	Originally Posted By: ntails There Will be no massive congestion because the J train can go to Brighton Beach weekends or every summer so that way customers can go to the Beach faster. Ntails you never give up don't you. And you want the MTA to bring back the "AA" "K" "EE" lines and put the "D" on the Culver or Brighton line or the "B" on the West End. Ntails this is not the year 1977 anymore. And bring back 'disco' too Ntails right?
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#394787 - 12/24/07 02:55 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: R-7 SEPTA Local]
ntails ntails Straphanger Registered: 02/18/06 Posts: 160 Loc: Bedford Park section	I am not talking about putting double letters back in this is the year 2007 soon will be 2008 now c'mon if we bring the "J" to Brighton Beach summer weekends the everybody will have easy access to the beaches. _________________________ This is Bronx-bound E train. The next stop is 59 St/Columbus Circle. Stand clear for the closing doors please
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#394798 - 12/24/07 08:44 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Grand Concourse]
Alon Alon Subway Engineer Registered: 08/25/07 Posts: 2541 Loc: Morningside Heights	The congestion I'm talking about isn't at Broad Street, but in the tunnel. You can have the M, J, and R sharing tracks, but that starts jamming the system. The three lines total 25 tph, which is higher than any track in the system except Lex Express and QB Express. I still think the best thing to do here is combine the V and M, kill the Z, and maybe let the J run to Bay Parkway during rush hours.
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#394884 - 12/24/07 09:22 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Alon]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	V-M yes, but you can't run just the J local all the way from Jamaica Center to Bay Parkway. It would be best to have the skip stop hours extended and then send both J/Z lines to Bay Parkway in place of the M since skip stop is also rush hours only.
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#395009 - 12/25/07 02:34 PM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Grand Concourse]
EPX2 EPX2 Straphanger Registered: 10/21/07 Posts: 84	I've ridden down the West End Line several times during the past month... it most certainly doesn't need three lines serving it, even during rush hours. I'd say the D alone is sufficient enough for it (though I wouldn't advocate decreasing service there); M trains are usually virtually empty along that corridor. If both the J and the Z were serving that line, they'd be extremely underutilized. And if you were suggesting that the J/Z should operate as a skip-stop pair in South Brooklyn: I don't really think that'd be feasible since the routes would be sharing track space with the D and the R. Edited by EPX2 (12/25/07 02:35 PM)
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#395118 - 12/26/07 12:31 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: EPX2]
Grand Concourse Grand Concourse Lord of the Post Registered: 06/26/02 Posts: 17900 Loc: Manhattan	J/Z is essentially one line divided into 2 so that riders of the skip-stop stations can differentiate between the different "J trains". J/Z is really one train line and would just replace the M going down to West End. Hope that clears things up.
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#395135 - 12/26/07 07:45 AM Re: (J)(M)(Z) Which, If Any Might You Like To See? [Re: Alon]
Sam Sam Bus Dispatcher Registered: 03/05/01 Posts: 623 Loc: New City, NY USA	Originally Posted By: Alon The congestion I'm talking about isn't at Broad Street, but in the tunnel. You can have the M, J, and R sharing tracks, but that starts jamming the system. The three lines total 25 tph, which is higher than any track in the system except Lex Express and QB Express. I still think the best thing to do here is combine the V and M, kill the Z, and maybe let the J run to Bay Parkway during rush hours. I agree with the V/M combination, however, the Z should serve as a full rush hour Broadway Brookklyn local allowing express service on the J. The Montague tunnel could easily handle an additional line such as the J. There were 3 lines (M,N,R) running there recently until the N was restored back onto the Manhattan Bridge. _________________________ Sam
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