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#23173 - 08/22/06 09:51 AM Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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I have a great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.

1)V train would start & end their trips at Kings Highway. In the morning to Manhattan, V trains would operate express from Kings Highway to Jay St stopping at 18th Av,Church Av,7th Av then Jay Sy. From Manhattan in the AM rush, V trains would operate express from Jay ST to Church Av stopping at 7th Av & making all stops from Church Av to Kings Highway. In the afternoon PM from Kings Highway, V trains would run local to Church Av & run express from Church Av to Jay St stopping at 7th Av. From Manhattan PM, V trains would operate express from Jay St to Kings Highway stopping at 7th Av, Church Av, 18th Av & Kings Highway.

2)Part time F trains that start & end their traips at Kings Highway would begin & end their trips at Avenue X & use the turn around track before entering the Coney Island Yard.

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#23174 - 08/22/06 10:02 AM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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and the G train???? im guessing you would be sending it to church since thers clearly no way it could relay on exp trks at 4th ave....
again as was determined in similar orum- even with all new cars purchased, there would not be enough cars to support teh current hdwys AND sverice extension of 20-25 min route..in additon by bypassing bergen st- there is no way to xfer from 4th-bergen stops to a manahattan train- and even if the G ran 30TPH ppl will NOT- take it to hoyt to cross ove rto the packed a/c just to go to jay st- cuz they REALLY DO want 6th ave stops...
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#23175 - 08/22/06 10:04 AM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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i think the best thingwould be to leave the current F alone, and have a few V's run culver exp to manh AM- from manahttn PM- like teh rkwy park A... thats it..
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and 129 years of red tape the 2nd avenue subway is here!!! (uh sir acually only one station has actually been built we sorta overran budget, that trip, the strippers, u know) ahem Im sorry.we have a slight delay in sched. the final 9.1 of the total 9.14miles is to be finished in 2121 marking the 150th anniversary of original groundbreaking. Im pleased to unveil the first stop of what is the most ridiculous waste of resources in bureaucratic history"
- Ceremony for opening of 59thst complex and .04 mile built. complex will be used by Board of Ed, NYPD explosives training and Administraion for childrens Svces until the station is fully operational, (just in time for it to be obsolete)

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#23176 - 08/22/06 11:13 AM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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No "G' Train extension to/from Church Ave. Mr Hostage?
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#23177 - 08/22/06 12:38 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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not if it means less svc.. also are we still running 4 car G trains.. cuz the tradeoff for a longer train- as would likely be need- is LESS trains.. \:D not kool imo
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and 129 years of red tape the 2nd avenue subway is here!!! (uh sir acually only one station has actually been built we sorta overran budget, that trip, the strippers, u know) ahem Im sorry.we have a slight delay in sched. the final 9.1 of the total 9.14miles is to be finished in 2121 marking the 150th anniversary of original groundbreaking. Im pleased to unveil the first stop of what is the most ridiculous waste of resources in bureaucratic history"
- Ceremony for opening of 59thst complex and .04 mile built. complex will be used by Board of Ed, NYPD explosives training and Administraion for childrens Svces until the station is fully operational, (just in time for it to be obsolete)

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#23178 - 08/22/06 12:44 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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The G should be extended to Church Avenue because a lot of people that live along the G go to Park Slope but have to transfer to the F, which sometimes takes too long. I'm not going to suggest that the V be extended because I'm afraid that the MTA is going to leave us G riders in the dust again for the V. \:\(
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#23179 - 08/22/06 01:16 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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You mess up the F's, without short turning F's at Kings Hwy you will delay service in Queens. You can not turn F's and V's at the same time at Kings Hwy, too many trains.
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#23180 - 08/22/06 01:32 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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What about beregn st,isnt that an express stop??
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#23181 - 08/22/06 02:43 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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Bergen, is a local stop only.
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#23182 - 08/22/06 03:42 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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Originally posted by Fulton Express:
What about beregn st,isnt that an express stop??
The lower level is abandoned, and back in the 70s, riders complained about having to use stairs to get from the local to the express. It's a local stop now.

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#23183 - 08/22/06 03:50 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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With the R46s not being replaced by the R160s and the 5-Car R160As (the other R160As being 4-Car sets for ENY) going to the G, give the F the G's R46s to cover the service lost because of the V and extend the G local to Church Avenue (Yes, there ARE tracks to terminate local trains there). It's pretty simple.

And then flip the F's R32s to the V. If all the G's R46s going to the F makes a surpluss of R46s for the F, put that surpluss to the V along with the R32s and you might have enough to extend the V express to Church Avenue full time.

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#23184 - 08/22/06 06:09 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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What about beregn st,isnt that an express stop??
The lower level is abandoned, and back in the 70s, riders complained about having to use stairs to get from the local to the express. It's a local stop now.
That, is pure laziness, go down is better than up. \:\) \:\) \:\) \:\)
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#23185 - 08/22/06 07:24 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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Maybe run the V to 179 Street, so the F can be express from Union Tpke to 179 Street, and make the V run in Brooklyn, but not all the way to Coney, maybe just as far as Kings Highway. That is one way people will like it more.
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#23186 - 08/23/06 03:09 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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R32 V signs aren't even complete, V via 6th Ave, what kind of rollsign is that?

And about Bergen St, why aren't people complaining about Nostrand Av?

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#23187 - 08/23/06 03:56 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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That just goes to show how lazy some ppl are,they want every thing handed to them on a silver platter which is rediculous,there are plenty of stations where you have to go up and down stairs to transfer from local to express trains,such as Nostrand Ave,59st,86st(Lexington Ave) theres probaly more that I just cant think of right now.Thats just pure lazyness :rolleyes:
I think if express service ever does return to the line, the Lower Level express platforms should be re-opened.
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#23188 - 08/23/06 09:35 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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And according to mta.info, the F is getting the R-160Bs. And the G is also supposed to get the small order of 5-Car R160As, (with the 4-Car R160As obviously going to ENY) right?

"MTA Fact" for August 23, 2006:

"A new 10-car F train costs $17.3 million."

This doesn't really throw any wrenches into any of these proposals, but thought it was worth a mention. The NYC media said the F would be getting the new "computer-controlled" trains way back last year, and now the MTA says it on their site. I'm guessing this means the R160s are really going to the F.

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#23189 - 08/24/06 12:33 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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If the F really gets the R160, it better stay in CI yards and kept away from the Jamaica yards. I still don't understand why the Q would have the 160 when the D and N line both should have an priority over the Q. D and N lines go through more G.O. which means more service changes and that would be a great time for the new FIND system to kick in to tell passengers where the train is actually located also they both have longer routes then the Q. I can understand that when SAS opens up, it would make sense to run the newest trains down 2nd Ave but that won't happen till 2012 when only Phase 1 opens while more 160 will be coming in till then.
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#23190 - 08/24/06 05:03 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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D is doing fine with on the R68 concourse...Q wouldn't make that much use out of it. Enjoy the R160s now, because one it is out there, it is going to be dirter, look at the R68/A that comes out of CI.

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#23191 - 08/24/06 06:33 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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MTA Fact dated August 23rd on the R160 going to both the F & G lines, where can I find this in the MTA section on the website.
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#23192 - 08/24/06 07:34 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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The part about the G lines was me asking people here if that was confirmed. As far as I have heard, it's getting the few 5-Car R160A sets that will be made (other R160As 4-Car sets for ENY).

The part about the F train was posted on the MTA.info site in the MTA Fact section of the homepage on August 23RD.

As I posted and many have seen, it said:

"A new 10-car F train costs $17.3 million."

It changes daily and now there is a different "MTA Fact" there. I posted this yesterday, and that's when you could've checked. I said in my post it was right there on MTA.info under "MTA Fact". Someone on SubChat also posted about this.

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#23193 - 08/24/06 08:46 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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I looked in that section & don't see anything, can you explain to me on how I could get to this information by the website.
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#23194 - 08/24/06 08:53 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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It was YESTERDAY. The "MTA Fact" on the MTA.info front page changes everyday. The "A new 10-car F train costs $17.3 million" thing was on there yesterday. Today, it's something about subway tokens in 1928, and tommorrow, it'll be something else. If you can find a snapshot of the site from August 23, 2006, you can see it. Otherwise, too bad.
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#23195 - 08/25/06 10:59 AM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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Originally posted by BTHSRider:
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Originally posted by Fulton Express:
What about beregn st,isnt that an express stop??
The lower level is abandoned, and back in the 70s, riders complained about having to use stairs to get from the local to the express. It's a local stop now.
Lazy folks lost their express stop.

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#23196 - 08/25/06 04:34 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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spkg of mta.info factoids:
Did anyone catch the one that said" an average weekday F train carries 500,000 psgrs".. now as written- it MEANS that if there are 5million riders and 10 trains/day thus the AVG TRAIN carries 500k riders.. picture thie sight of this.. \:D - as opposed to "on an average wkdy the f line/ train..." its a small somewhat less significant error but happens quite often... like incorrect times on service notices... b49 LTD with deparures saying 7:01- not 7:07.. or G.O. to start on aug 21- but now indefin. supsended.... does no one at NYCT ops proofread????
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- Ceremony for opening of 59thst complex and .04 mile built. complex will be used by Board of Ed, NYPD explosives training and Administraion for childrens Svces until the station is fully operational, (just in time for it to be obsolete)

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#23197 - 09/02/06 01:54 PM Re: Great suggestion for F & V trains after Culver Viaduct Phase II is completed.
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(V): All times; local to Church.

(G): All times; local to Church.

(F): All times; express to Church, local to Stillwell.

: Weekdays only (except late nights); express to Church, peak direction express to KH, local to Stillwell.

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