I think that the purpose of the shuttle between the 2/5 and 6 would be to allow 6 riders to get west side access. Every area in the Bronx that is served by the subway (except for the areas near the 1 train) has both east side and west side access. The Grand Concourse and Jerome Avenue Lines are close to each other, and the 2 and 5 run on the same track. An Out of System Transfer would help the situation.
On the topic of the 1 train, I think that an extension of the 2nd Avenue Subway (which has been discussed here before) would solve this problem. It would allow 1 train riders to get to the 4/5/6 and also allow the A/C riders access to the 4/5/6.

I think that the Bx12 SBS was conceived at least in part to facilitate crosstown (east/west) subway access.

A Southern Bronx SBS route could have a similar effect.

A Bx19 SBS would be very nice.

A Bx19 SBS is a bad idea. SBS's can't pass the local under the el on Southern Blvd

Thats true, but its only under the el for at most a mile, the stops are few and far in between (none midblock) and many limited bus lines have a portion where they make all stops anyway. It wouldnt work anyway since there isnt anywhere to put that farebox terminal except on the sidewalk which is not near the stop itself (we know to board the bus u have to stand in the street, not the adjacent sidewalk otherwise the bus will just pass you by lol)

In the 1980's there was a proposal to build a line connecting the Brighton Line to the Culver Express tracks because the Manhattan Bridge was severely deteriorating, and the Culver Line had a lot of unused capacity (I think by then the Culver Express stopped, and during weekends, the express tracks could be used to access 6th Avenue). However Franklin Avenue Shuttle riders protested because that could mean the end of the shuttle because the riders would have another way of getting to Manhattan (as opposed to taking the Franklin Avenue Shuttle to the A/C). Now that the shuttle has been rebuilt (a little over 10 years ago I think), this line could be useful in case of a GO. The only problem is that there is work on the Culver Viaduct and the Q doesn't go on 6th Avenue. Also, I think that there should be some kind of double transfer allowed between the D/M, B35, and the F, since you would've been allowed to do that with the shuttle.
Now, it would probably be built as an extension of the Culver Shuttle, if they rebuilt it, or a branch off of the Culver Express, giving the Culver riders access to the Brighton Line. If it were built, it would probably end at Church Avenue, because it would interfere with existing service if it went down the Brighton Line.

I read about a proposal like that on subchat and I think it should be looked into. Not as an everyday service type of connection, but something as an emergency reroute to minimize disruption when the Bridge needs to be closed down.
Worse comes worse, in the event the bridge is closed for the 6th Av side, they can either switch the D and Q lines and put all the Broadway lines on 4th Av or they can turn the Q back into a 6th Av line.

If that were to be the case, they would have to run the local train to Atlantic Avenue. Unfortunately, riders would lose direct access to places like Canal Street and 14th Street, which are pretty far from the F stations.

If they plan to connect the northern portion of the Brighton line anywhere else, it should be via the Franklin Avenue segment. That segment was connected to something before; it was disconnected after the demise of the Fulton Street line but there were plans to connect it elsewhere like the Crosstown line. It could instead be connected to the Rutgers Street tunnel before or after the York Street station with stations along the line between Franklin Avenue and York Street.

No matter how it's built though, an extra connection would enable the Brighton line to make use of extra capacity (by eliminating the merge to two tracks).

The only problem with that is that the Franklin Avenue Line has only two-car platforms and is one track almost everywhere except the Botanic Gardens. If it became necessary to reroute thr trains for a long period of time, it would be very hard to do because you would have to extend the platforms and build an extra track. Also, the point of the IND Fulton Street Line was to replace the BMT Fulton Street Elevated, so I don't think the line would be built. Also, if the line were connected to the Crosstown Line, it wouldn't be as big a help as sending it to Manhattan. If the bridge needed to be shut down, the riders would have to transfer to the C train, unless the new connection to the Crosstown Line would be built.

If you think that's a problem, building the rest of the connection from Franklin Avenue to York Street will be an impossible predicament. The ongoing Second Avenue Subway construction would definitely be a problem according to your perspective—and of many others living along the construction area.


Connecting the Franklin Avenue line elsewhere also happens to be a different point. They're not comparable.


Ask the people who proposed it in the second system. They thought it was good to have such a connection. Furthermore, this connection would be at a junction connecting the Crosstown line to the Myrtle Avenue/Central Avenue subway (right under the current Myrtle Avenue line) and could have connected to the Rockaways.


…or the connection to York Street which would give the Brighton line both a secondary connection to Broadway and Sixth Avenue. (The Broadway line has had the flexibility for a long time.)

By York Street, do you mean York Street on the F? Also, what I mean is that there is the chance that the Franklin Avenue line would have to be shut down for a period of time, because building the new tracks would probably interfere with current operations



I thought you meant to extend the Franklin Avenue Line to York Street using Fulton Street. The point is that the two services would overlap too much.


Ask the people who proposed it in the second system. They thought it was good to have such a connection. Furthermore, this connection would be at a junction connecting the Crosstown line to the Myrtle Avenue/Central Avenue subway (right under the current Myrtle Avenue line) and could have connected to the Rockaways.
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By York Street, do you mean York Street on the F? Also, what I mean is that there is the chance that the Franklin Avenue line would have to be shut down for a period of time, because building the new tracks would probably interfere with current operations



I thought you meant to extend the Franklin Avenue Line to York Street using Fulton Street. The point is that the two services would overlap too much.



See first post

[quote=checkmatechamp13] Also, if the line were connected to the Crosstown Line, it wouldn't be as big a help as sending it to Manhattan. [quote]
Ask the people who proposed it in the second system. They thought it was good to have such a connection. Furthermore, this connection would be at a junction connecting the Crosstown line to the Myrtle Avenue/Central Avenue subway (right under the current Myrtle Avenue line) and could have connected to the Rockaways. [quote]

Yes, but this was supposed to be in case the Manhatttan Bridge needed to be shut down. Otherwise, I think it would be great to have a Coney Island-Court Square service that doesn't need to pass through Manhattan.

A line going crosstown via 125 st would be nice.