I know that part of the project will make the express tracks that the (G) uses to relay at 4 Av unusable.

I have also heard that later in the project the local tracks that the (F) uses will be unusable and both trains will need to run on the express tracks on the Culver viaduct.

1. Is this true?

2. If that is true, will this require the restoration of the lower level platform at Bergen St? I don't see any switches between Bergen St and 4 Av, so it seems the only way that trains can run through Bergen St and get onto the express tracks on the viaduct is by passing through the lower level of Bergen St.

and what about the G, it can't switch to the express track only at 4th ave.

Right -- hence the extension of the (G) to Church Av.

The lower level won't need to be restored; there's really nothing stopping the F from just passing through. As for the trains needing to run express: from what I read, only the F would be running express during that part of the project. The G would still serve all stops. Let's see if I can find the link.

The G and V will be the local right?

Maybe!!

The kind NYCT has chosen to use.

Question: Do they hold the F at ditmas ave when a G is relaying at church ?

It depends.

If the G is going to terminate on the local tracks then the F would have to be held up at Ditmars if they want the G stop and leave Church to start it's trip back to Queens.

If the G terminates on the express tracks then F trains go right into Church Av and the dispatcher or whoever, decides which train leaves church av first, the F on the local track or the G on the express track.

If there is a culver express, and assuming the MTA doesnt do peak exp ( because the F/V/G would all have to run on one track in the off peak direction) but does both directions north of church then the G would most likely terminate on the local tracks along with the V.

I think the (G) will have to terminate on the local tracks at Church Av. I don't believe that there is a switch between the local and express tracks from Fort Hamilton Pkwy to Church Av.

http://images.nycsubway.org/trackmap/bigbklyn-3.png
Is Church Av-bound (G) terminate at Church Av, then use switch to relay on express track to take switch to northbound local track to begin Court Sq service?

Actually, my experience today was that the G was held and thus delayed at Church for the F.

I had gotten off a n/b F at Church and saw the lights of the G-train pointing diagonally out of the mini-yard at the south of the station. Somewhere around 10-15 minutes passed by and another F trained showed up. As soon as it had cleared the station the G came rolling in, with the bell for it to leave ringing before it was even halfway in.

The beauty of Church Avenue overall though is that that small yard below ground to the south keeps the through tracks (express and local) clear, thus the F or any other future service should only have to wait for the G if it's actually in the station picking up passengers.

I had also gotten off at Church Avenue southbound on the G earlier in the day, and I must say... such luxuries... Elevators and restrooms! What I also found amusing is that the outside signs for the station have the G logo about 50% of the size of the F logo. I guess 50% train length gets 50% diameter logo!

It appears they use the dotted lines (storage tracks), more or less avoiding the express tracks.

One good question that comes up now is will the station be renamed Kensington / Church Avenue? I saw that on the destination signs on the trains today. For some reason Smith/9th Streets never had a neighborhood name either (then again, it's kind of in no man's land). Along with the 3's New Lots Avenue terminus, I am not aware of other outer borough termini without neighborhood (or park) names anymore.

lol

I don't think so it will probaly just stay the same and smith-9th sts is in the vecinity of caroll gdns and RedHook.

Do the FINDs on the Manhattan-bound (F) have a transfer to the (G) at Church Av yet, or is it still Smith-9 Sts?

*I say Manhattan-bound (F) trains because Coney Island-bound (F) trains have only one transfer to the (G) listed at Carroll St.

Why Carroll St instead of Bergen St? Probably because at Bergen St you cannot transfer between trains going in different directions, so you would have to wait until Carroll St to transfer from a Coney Island-bound (F) to a Queens-bound (G).

Rode the (G) from Court Sq to Church Av yesterday. I think everyone knew that the train was extended to Church. Signage as follows:
G KENSINGTN/BKLYN
G CHURCH AV
G CROSSTOWN LCL

Not to nitpick, Q113LTD, but I believe that there is no "i" in the (G)'s Kensington sign. It reads "G KENSNGTN/BKLYN" so that it will fit on the signs.

that would be Right.

Those R46 LCD signs are so lame.

I think so too, but I guess they were very 'modern' when the R44 and R46 were rehabbed. I actually prefer their original roll signs. I thought that they were much clearer.

I prefer the rollsigns too, NX Sea Beach Express. I think that they are much easier to read, especially because the words on the LCD signs move so quickly.

I am also all for the route bullet rollsign on the the front of the train (like on all the R40-R110B) which makes it much easier to tell the train route from far away, rather than the new red letters on the front of the R142-R160. I have very good vision, and the train has to be pretty close for me to tell what the red letter is. It must be very difficult for someone with poorer vision.

I totally agree. The side signs really could've had a second set of signs so at least you can read two lines at the same time than just the one.
The front sign of the R142-R160's are also kind of hard to read from a far distance. The only good thing is that you can tell one line from another like the R or W because the R doesn't run the R160's, but to the average rider they don't know that.

I actualy like the old fashion rollsigns not the new lcd signs.