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#487337 - 06/30/09 01:07 PM New York City Bus Hubs
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Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)
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#487349 - 06/30/09 02:07 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Queens: Roosevelt Ave., Queens Plaza, Woodhaven Blvd., LGA and JFK Airports, Flushing, Jamaica. Out of these, I would have to say that Flushing is the busiest, with Jamaica as a close second.
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#487355 - 06/30/09 02:16 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: R32_3348]
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#487358 - 06/30/09 02:21 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B13 SPRING CRK GATEWAY MALL]
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Also Williamsburg Bridge Plaza and Kings Plaza Mall - Brooklyn

St. George Ferry Terminal - Staten Island


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#487368 - 06/30/09 02:33 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)

I know the ones in Queens are:
Jamaica RR
Parsons-Archer
165 St Terminal
Flushing-Main St
Ridgewood
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#487372 - 06/30/09 02:51 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Q113LTD]
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Central Jamaica as a whole ie Parsons and Archer needs an expanded Bus hub badly.

Ditto for Downtown Brooklyn as well.

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#487388 - 06/30/09 07:35 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Does Pelham Bay Park count as a bus hub? Some routes terminate there while others only stop there.
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#487390 - 06/30/09 07:50 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Lex Express]
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Does Pelham Bay Park count as a bus hub? Some routes terminate there while others only stop there.


Sure it could.

The term "hub" in general means {the center}/{central} of something....
Whether buses terminate at a hub or not, doesn't make it any less of one, or none at all....

I'd consider PBP as a hub, but not a major transfer point... Some people'll tell you it's the same thing... I say it's a slight difference....
(e/g... Roosevelt Field isn't really a hub - it's more of a major xfer point... Jamaica & Flushing are Hubs...)...

it's just that, Jamaica & Flushing are MUCH bigger hubs than Pelham Bay Park is....
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#487392 - 06/30/09 07:52 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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Pelham Bay Park is a hub for the area. It's nowhere near to the extent of Jamaica and Flushing, like B35 said, but it's where several buses radiate to the East Bronx. When buses radiate from a central point, that makes it a hub.
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#487393 - 06/30/09 08:28 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)


I'm goin off the top of my head here...

Brooklyn:
Most - Downtown Brooklyn in general
Least - Rockaway Pkwy (by the L train station)

The Bronx:
Most - Fordham Plaza or Westchester Sq.
Least - Bedford Park (around the 4 train station).. either that, or PBP...

Manhattan:
Most - PABT, if you're counting the NJ routes as well
Least - 125th st Itself

Queens:
Most - Jamaica, in general
Least - Woodhaven/QB (for all those ppl. that wait there for the Qll/21/53/38 & the 29, if I remember correctly, you'd think there'd be more routes there than what it currently is....

Staten Island
Most - St. George
Least - Eltingville? (only 2 hubs I can think of out on SI)


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#487447 - 07/01/09 02:23 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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Originally Posted By: B35 via Church
Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)


I'm goin off the top of my head here...

Brooklyn:
Most - Downtown Brooklyn in general Yep
Least - Rockaway Pkwy (by the L train station) Yep. It was either this or Broadway Junction

The Bronx:
Most - Fordham Plaza or Westchester Sq. I'd say The Hub (3 Av-149 St)
Least - Bedford Park (around the 4 train station).. either that, or PBP... Or West Farms Sq

Manhattan:
Most - PABT, if you're counting the NJ routes as well Grand Central, Penn Station and GWB
Least - 125th st Itself That and South Ferry

Queens:
Most - Jamaica, in general and Flushing
Least - Woodhaven/QB (for all those ppl. that wait there for the Q11/21/53/38 & the 29, if I remember correctly, you'd think there'd be more routes there than what it currently is.... Union Tpke/QB

Staten Island
Most - St. George
Least - Eltingville? (only 2 hubs I can think of out on SI) Actually it's Pt Richmond
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#487451 - 07/01/09 03:09 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Q113LTD]
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Originally Posted By: B35 via Church
[quote=EE Broadway Local]Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)


I'm goin off the top of my head here...

Brooklyn:
Most - Downtown Brooklyn in general Yep
Least - Rockaway Pkwy (by the L train station) Yep. It was either this or Broadway Junction

The Bronx:
Most - Fordham Plaza or Westchester Sq. I'd say The Hub (3 Av-149 St)
Least - Bedford Park (around the 4 train station).. either that, or PBP... Or West Farms Sq

Manhattan:
Most - PABT, if you're counting the NJ routes as well Grand Central, Penn Station and GWB
Least - 125th st Itself That and South Ferry

Queens:
Most - Jamaica, in general and Flushing
Least - Woodhaven/QB (for all those ppl. that wait there for the Q11/21/53/38 & the 29, if I remember correctly, you'd think there'd be more routes there than what it currently is.... Union Tpke/QB

Staten Island
Most - St. George
Least - Eltingville? (only 2 hubs I can think of out on SI) Actually it's Pt Richmond
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Thanks.. few things though....

Union Tpke/QB & Pt. Richmond I don't consider hubs...

If it's only nyc bus routes he's asking about, then yeh, GWB would probably be amongst the most in Manhattan... I don't know if I'd consider Penn Station & GCT, bus hubs exactly, that's why I didn't list them....
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#487505 - 07/01/09 07:52 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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Again, how do you differentiate between a hub and a transfer point? Is it the sheer number of routes, or some other intangible factor (ie what's the difference between Kew Gardens and Jamaica)?
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#487581 - 07/02/09 01:35 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Lex Express]
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Originally Posted By: Lex Express
Again, how do you differentiate between a hub and a transfer point? Is it the sheer number of routes, or some other intangible factor (ie what's the difference between Kew Gardens and Jamaica)?


ehh, I don't think this is somethin that's that difficult to understand...

think of a hub on a bicycle wheel... you notice how the spokes (and how many of them) all originate from the middle of the bicycle tire, and pan out in different directions on the opposing end of the hub.... well it's the same idea, dude....

Jamaica (respective to the ENTIRE borough of Queens) is a bus hub b/c you have a bevy of routes panning in different directions out of Jamaica... if you ever heard the term "feeder", in regards to bus routes, bus hubs are usually synonymous w/ a feeder system.... don't know if that helps you understand or not...

places like RFM are major xfer points solely b/c the Numbers of passengers that disembark there, that are looking to xfer to another bus... note, just b/c a bunch of routes all serve one spot doesn't necessarily make it a bus hub....
Most of the major xfer points in NYC doesn't solely involve buses, but bus-to-subway travel, subway-to-bus travel, and subway-to-commuter rail travel.....

yes, there are intangibles... a lot of which has to do w/ the intentions of the passenger(s)...
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#487587 - 07/02/09 02:10 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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Thank you for the replies.

When I posed this question, I was thinking of hubs served by NYCTA and MTA bus routes in the five boroughs.

In keeping with my question, the only two "hubs" I can think of in Manhattan might be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station; in The Bronx might be The Hub and maybe the subway terminals(?).

Some in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island I would consider "hubs" are Williamsburgh Bridge Bus Plaza, 165th Street Bus Terminal, Saint George, DUMBO, L.I.C. (Queens Plaza? Queensborough Plaza?), Flushing (Main Street), Jamaica (subway terminals - particularly 179th Street?), La Guardia and J.F.K.

Am I off-target in my thinking?
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#487592 - 07/02/09 03:04 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: EE Broadway Local]
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I would consider a hub to be, in terms of local transit in the city, any terminal location where there are:

1. A commercialized (retail or otherwise) area
2. Subway or commuter rail connections
3. Division point (multi-depot layover location) for bus services

There are different ways of interpreting it, and in the way NYCT and MTAB have shaped their surface route networks, you can make a case that Astor Place/Cooper Union is as much a hub as Kings Plaza in Brooklyn...
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#487603 - 07/02/09 05:24 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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Originally Posted By: B35 via Church
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Originally Posted By: B35 via Church
Originally Posted By: EE Broadway Local
Just curious: Which bus hubs by borough would you say are served by the most and the least number of buses?

(Maybe in Manhattan bus hubs would be South Ferry and GWB Bus Station and in The Bronx would be The Hub and the subway terminals; Maybe more hubs in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island)


I'm goin off the top of my head here...

Brooklyn:
Most - Downtown Brooklyn in general Yep
Least - Rockaway Pkwy (by the L train station) Yep. It was either this or Broadway Junction

The Bronx:
Most - Fordham Plaza or Westchester Sq. I'd say The Hub (3 Av-149 St)
Least - Bedford Park (around the 4 train station).. either that, or PBP... Or West Farms Sq

Manhattan:
Most - PABT, if you're counting the NJ routes as well Grand Central, Penn Station and GWB
Least - 125th st Itself That and South Ferry

Queens:
Most - Jamaica, in general and Flushing
Least - Woodhaven/QB (for all those ppl. that wait there for the Q11/21/53/38 & the 29, if I remember correctly, you'd think there'd be more routes there than what it currently is.... Union Tpke/QB

Staten Island
Most - St. George
Least - Eltingville? (only 2 hubs I can think of out on SI) Actually it's Pt Richmond
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Thanks.. few things though....

Union Tpke/QB & Pt. Richmond I don't consider hubs...

If it's only nyc bus routes he's asking about, then yeh, GWB would probably be amongst the most in Manhattan... I don't know if I'd consider Penn Station & GCT, bus hubs exactly, that's why I didn't list them....

Well Penn Station as far as buses go have the M4, 6, 7, 10, 16, 20, 34 and Q32 buses and it's mostly train (a la 71-Continental) so I see why you wouldn't consider it a hub. Grand Central has the M1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 42, 101, 102, 103, 104, but like the aformentioned statement, it's a train hub
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#487698 - 07/04/09 02:08 AM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Q113LTD]
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co-op city in the bronx,staten island mall,bay ridge in brooklyn
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#487721 - 07/04/09 01:13 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: APPLE2APPLE]
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Is Bay Ridge really a hub?
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#487724 - 07/04/09 01:47 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Lex Express]
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None of the ones Apple2Apple listed are....
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#487796 - 07/05/09 03:14 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: B35 via Church]
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o i really thought co -op city was 1
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#487820 - 07/06/09 01:10 AM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: APPLE2APPLE]
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I was going to say Co-op city,but I didn't know that will be correct even though alot of bus route go through there from different places.


Edited by Bjc (07/06/09 01:12 AM)

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#488117 - 07/07/09 02:50 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Bjc]
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The only buses that serve Co-Op are the Bx25, 26, 28, 29, 30, BxM7 and QBx1
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#488210 - 07/08/09 04:04 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: Q113LTD]
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#488236 - 07/08/09 07:45 PM Re: New York City Bus Hubs [Re: mta36]
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